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Sundar Pichai received $226M compensation, boosted by a triennial stock grant

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I think he cares deeply about the company and its mission, he just lacks the ability to be a bold and decisive leader. This can be a good thing in some cases (he is good at building consensus for example), but can also be harmful.

Sounds like he's more suitable to be 2IC (eg 2nd in charge, not the leader) then?

Why even write 2IC if you then have to explain what it is?

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The only thing he has done is not destroy the Google cash firehose. The advertising cash firehose is perhaps the only thing that matters at Google. But, having been severely caned by ChatGPT and left flat footed on AI i think it’s reasonable to say even that firehose is now at risk.

It’s really funny to read this over and over from so many people. You are saying google can’t match and surpass chatGPT? You know, google the people who invented the model architecture used by ChatGPT… the people who wrote the first ML training frameworks and the subsequent most popular one… the ones who designed hardware accelerators to minimize training and inference… the people with enough excess compute to probab…

Google may indeed have the research knowledge that surpasses everyone one in the industry - but they have very little to show in terms of using that knowledge to build actual products. For example - Google home, which does a far better job at voice recognition and understanding context than Amazon’s Alexa. Yet, GH still lags far behind Amazon.

Re: Sundar Pichai received $226M compensation, boosted by a triennial stock grant

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So, going through a rigorous interview process is indicative of expected performance on the job? Shouldn’t the work they did for two years matter more than the few hours of interviewing and solving puzzles?

"Shouldn't", "ought to" etc. don't hold in real life regardless of what we want or think as devs. A good illustration of this: https://old.reddit.com//r/recruitinghell/comments/qhg5jo/thi... The reality is that having passed an interview at a FAANG company, having any work experience at a FAANG company on your resume opens a lot of doors while looking for a new job, even if it's a few months. Being laid off from a FA…

You can argue till your blue in the face that it opens doors and another can just as easily argue that it closes doors for reasons not worth discussing.

My point had nothing to do with either argument as it not interesting to me. My criticism was in the statement regarding the interview process validating the value of an ex FAANG employee over their experience from working at FAANG.

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Literally, nothing good, the chore of Google business is losing ground, Chrome losing more and more users in favor of Edge, Google search taking a hit since OpenAI and Microsoft partnered together to bring AI to search, serial acquisition and sunsetting of products, worse bureaucracy in the whole tech industry, and the list goes on!

Chrome is sitting near all-time highs in market share: https://www.statista.com/statistics/268254/market-share-of-i... . Search hovers around ~90% for the last several years: https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share Google Cloud is growing faster than Azure & AWS for the last few years: https://www.statista.com/statistics/967365/worldwide-cloud-i... . Cloud was at ~4% market share 5 years ago, now it's a…

Unfortunately that's table stakes what matters today is AI unless Sundar can change the narrative.

Also it doesn't matter what any of us think, it matters what the market thinks as in where does the stock price go.

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The upper management at Google are so lucky that the company is filled with timid people who are averse to change and didn't unionize. Now they can safely siphon the profits for another several years until they inevitably drive the company into the ground when the ad revenue dries up, and they move to similar positions at other places with healthy revenue streams. And the rank-and-file Googlers will defend this becau…

The fact that this is currently the third highest voted comment is just sad. As other sibling commenters have said virtually every sentence here contains ridiculous falsehoods or is just "r/antiwork" levels of nonsense.

And it's not that Google doesn't have major problems, a lot of which can be laid at Sundar's feet, or that he's wildly overpaid.

It's that these types of reactionary missives just miss the point in every possible way.

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Mainly cause no one smart wants that job. It's just mindless politics 24*7. It's left to the mindlessly ambitious or ppl who are placeholders to prevent the mindlessly ambitious from sitting in the chair. We have passed the point of org complexity where the CEO does anything beyond ensuring no on totally insane takes over. There are lot of such ppl who dieing to charge you for every search query or email you send. Th…

> We have passed the point of org complexity where the CEO does anything beyond ensuring no on totally insane takes over. I think Satya Nadella is a counter example. There can be 'mindlessly' ambitious people who are also great at being a CEO.

Satya Nadella is the counterexample to almost every excuse people make for Sundar's impotence. He took a larger, more inert desktop software company known for being monopolistic and greedy and turned it into the innovative backing of almost everybody's technical and knowledge infrastructure in one way or another. In contrast, Sundar has taken an innovative, creative company with a money printer, massive user engagement, and an incredible brand, and turned it into a monopolistic ad sales company.

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if you’re earning sky high base comp + stock + benefits at these places you’re not working class. You are incredibly out of touch.

Not if you have a visa to worry about. Doesn’t matter how much money you have then. You need another job in 30 days or you and your entire family are at risk.

Pretty sure that with enough money to can solve almost any visa issue one way or another (investor visa etc)

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So, they can take their pile of cash and return to their native country and live like kings?

No, because they’ve established a life in the new country. They might have spouse or children. Forced moving js traumatic.

Moving generally sucks. Moving is traumatic whether it is forced or not and whether a migrant or not. It can be almost the same trauma when moving to the other side of a large city as moving to another country. Kids still change schools; spouses still change jobs; housing and community changes; distance to friends and family changes interactions; etc

At least a migrant has the option of returning to their home country with a network of family and old friends; natives are stuck jobless and with high cost of living or choosing to uproot and migrate to a new country with lower cost of living, becoming migrants themselves. There is no stress-free ride for anyone.

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