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Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Unless it only reconsumes the “good” content. In other words, the stuff that got good reactions from humans. In which case, it will get better, not worse, at least at generating clickbait. But at least it will be coherent clickbait.

It will never be able to detect sarcasm amd satire and this will contribute greatly to the degradation of content quality , I think. This will not work, its too soon.

Why do you think so? It's certainly capable of producing outputs along these lines if you tell it that this is what you want:

https://i.imgur.com/B2cHXRA.jpg

To me this implies that things such as "sarcasm" is a pattern simple enough for an AI to match - and that should go both ways, whether it's being generated or recognized.

If you're arguing that it won't be able to detect the more subtle sarcasm, then yeah, sure. But, well, Poe's Law predates GPT.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Information wants to be wrong.

I scrolled many pages for this. It is true!

Information wants to be like an "earworm"...an annoying and "false" song that you just can't shake. Because then it's not anodyne. It has a personality. It will be remembered, not merely incorporated. In truth it is the purveyor of the information that has this desire, and it seeps into his leavings on the internet. In his many thousands of iterations. And so we are here.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Imagine a world where the only content you see is from publishers that you trust, and that your friends trust, and their friends, to maybe 4 or 5 hops or so, and the feed was weighted by how much they are trusted by your particular social graph. If you start seeing spammy content, you downvote it, and your trust level from that part of your social graph drops, and they are less likely to be able to publish things tha…

Social graphs will enable trust between people, just like governments are doing right now. Any person not included in the graph and shown up in your newsfeed is an illegal troll. The only difference with automated electronic governments and physical governments is that we can have as many electronic governments as we like, a million of them. One other feature of LLMs is that they will enable people to create as many…

We're creating the tower of babel?

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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In practice this is how social networks already work - and it turns out that most people treat "like" and "trust" as equivalent. So you get information filter bubbles where people are basically living in separate realities. In theory there was a time in the past where there was such a thing as a generally "trusted" expert, and it was possible for the rest of us to find and learn from such experts. But the experts are…

Yes, I think a lot of work needs to be done around content labeling. Getting away from simple up/down, and labeling content that you think is funny, spammy, insightful, trusted, etc. I don't think any centralized platform has gotten the mechanics quite right on this, but I think we're getting closer. Furthermore, in a world where everyone owns their own social graph, and carries it with them on every site they visit,…

This sounds nice but I doubt it will ever get enough traction. The vast majority of people in power at tech companies believe that they can make more money creating a walled garden than something interoperable. Heck, it's not even just tech companies, most companies in any industry want to create lock-in wherever possible. A captive audience is easier to squeeze for money, so lots of people want to create such an audience.

This reminds me of all the talk a couple years ago about using blockchains to make video game items work across different game worlds. Sounds great for the players, but game dev companies don't see the point in actually implementing it, so it never goes anywhere.

Not to mention that there are significant technical hurdles. Two different platforms might be different enough that it's difficult or impossible to use the same social graph or game items in both.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Social graphs will enable trust between people, just like governments are doing right now. Any person not included in the graph and shown up in your newsfeed is an illegal troll. The only difference with automated electronic governments and physical governments is that we can have as many electronic governments as we like, a million of them. One other feature of LLMs is that they will enable people to create as many…

We're creating the tower of babel?

Nope, people will be able to communicate in a language widely recognized, but speaking with their peers or community there will another language of choice. Just like the natural language evolution over the centuries and millenia, but easier and quicker. 1 century of language evolution compressed over 5 to 10 years. Programming languages are following the same pattern already.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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post #254

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Alternatively you can just go to real events now and spend less time on the Internet.

But then I have to deal with people...why would I want that?

Then chatbots are a good thing :)

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Not a super well thought out article. Example: lots of speculative complaints that ChatGPT will lead to an explosion of low quality and biased editorial material, without a single mention of what that problem looks like today (hint: it was already a huge problem before ChatGPT). Ditto with the “ChatGPT gave me wrong info for a query” complaint. Well, how does that compare to traditional search? I’m willing to believe…

> Well, how does that compare to traditional search? Poorly. Traditional search is a dumb pipe, it gives you multiple links to review and evaluate on the basis of a well-understood PageRank algorithm. It's gotten a lot worse, but humans adapted to its limitations, and know what not to click on (affiliate marketing sites that rank #1 for instance). GPT3 is a dead end, it provides a single response and you can either a…

For sure, though it's easy to imagine a search results page that mixes current organic search results, search ads, and also some kind of AI 'answers' or 'sugestions'. Then we just have to vet those as possibly-dubious-but-maybe-helpful along with the rest.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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I agree with the headline and am glad that someone finally said it. Web 1.0 was great: designed by academics, it popularized idempotence, declarative programming, scalability and ushered in the Long Now so every year since has basically been 1995 repeated. Web 2.0 never happened: it ended up being a trap that swallowed the best minds of a generation to web (ad) agencies with countless millions of hours lost fighting…

Please tell me this is from chatGPT as a joke and you didn't write up a giant post about 'the singularity', 'ubi', future trillionaires, millennial politics and future environmental collapse on your own.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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What happens if the majority of your group is trusting fake news aka people who exclusively listen to sources like NewsMax. Do you just abandon these people as trapped?

I would hope that in some cases, if their friends and loved ones start explicitly signaling their distrust of NewsMax or whatever, then their likelihood of seeing content from shitty sources would decrease, slowly extracting them from the hate bubble. Of course these systems could also cause people to isolate further, and get lost in these bubbles of negativity. These systems would help to identify people on the path…

I think you deeply underestimate how entrenched inauthentic rage porn is a focal point of far too many peoples lives.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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It's already pretty bad with Github/SO threads. Guys will scrape threads on GH/SO and repost them to their sites, usually with a ton of ads but the post ranks higher than the original thread so it will come up first when you google an error.

How could it rank higher tho? SO has a huge domain ranking. How an arbitrary website can compete with that? I always thought it’s the opposite and platforms like SO and Medium incentivise posting there exactly via their crazy domain ranking.

Even if it doesn't, you now suddenly have the top 20+ results with the exact same info
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