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Sorry but that’s garbage. You either have evidence or you don’t. You can’t just say: once guilty always guilty and be fine with that. I find the general holier-than-thou self-righteous attitude expressed by most armchair commenters extremely off putting.
I suggest cavity inspections before all matches from now on.
Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move
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Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move
#322I love what Magnus is doing. Of course can't accuse Hans of cheating, because AlphaZero works much more similar to humans than alpha-beta search. The article shows the amount of pressure tournament organizers are putting on him, but nowdays the money is in streaming more than in tournaments.
> because AlphaZero works much more similar to humans than alpha-beta search. Just curious, what do you base that on? Is there a relevant article? If so I'd love to read it.
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The resignation I can live with. The tweet is just attention seeking.
What would you have done if you were in Carlsen's position and you suspected someone (not necessarily Niemann) had acted maliciously (but you didn't want to get sued for defamation or breach of contract)? It's easy to say "Just don't tweet anything", and that's advice that we might wish millions of other people would follow too, but Carlsen is now getting criticism for his silence, so it seems like he can't win eithe…
He's being criticized for being silent after having published a vague tweet insinuating his opponent was cheating, not to mention the resignation stunt. If he'd actually been silent about it and just withdrawn from the tournament before the match, there wouldn't have been anything to criticize.
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Magnus & Nakamura and a handful of other grandmasters are basically the only reason why chess is not dead to the public; I'm not sure thriving is in the cards ever again for chess. Chess has a lot more to be grateful for with Magnus than not. That's what Magnus is to the "general audience" with regards to chess, and it's going to take a lot for Magnus to be a net negative to chess. We are only making drama because Ma…
> Magnus & Nakamura and a handful of other grandmasters are basically the only reason why chess is not dead to the public Not really, at all. That TV series and the COVID pandemic have way more to do with current chess popularity than Magnus & Nakamura. The playing public doesn't really care who the champion is, they play with themselves and only very few follow every game on major tournaments. As a spectator sport,…
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chess.com disagrees, and says the Niemann's cheating is greater in both the amount and seriousness of cheating that has occured. https://twitter.com/chesscom/status/1568010971616100352 >"Dear Chess Community, >The last few days have been tumultuous for many in the chess community. At this time we have reached out to Hans Niemann to explain our decision to privately remove him from chess.com and our events. We have sh…
I can't really determine who is right on that; my response was intended just for "he's admitted to cheating in the past." If the chess.com allegations turn out to be true then it would of course be a different matter entirely.
Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move
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Nobel prize or not, evidence is needed. Nobel prize is sort of orthogonal to the situation where many other Nobel prize winners also have reservations about the accusation including Gary Kasparov and Fabiano Caruana. Magnus can’t play God, sorry. Eh, let’s call Caruana Fields medalist :-).
Evidence of what ? Has Carlssen explicitly said "This guy has cheated?" He has only said "I cannot speak because I would be in such a big trouble that I am not willing to do so". It is not so trivial as "prove it" when you only have a deep, serious, professional conviction.
How would you explain his reaction then?
He didn't explicitly said that, but he certainly implicitly said that, which is essentially the same in this situation.
Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move
#327Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Magnus & Nakamura and a handful of other grandmasters are basically the only reason why chess is not dead to the public Not really, at all. That TV series and the COVID pandemic have way more to do with current chess popularity than Magnus & Nakamura. The playing public doesn't really care who the champion is, they play with themselves and only very few follow every game on major tournaments. As a spectator sport,…
I agree with most of what you said, except that I think chess can be a great spectator sport. Perhaps not classical chess, but rapid or maybe blitz.
Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move
#328For context, Magnus withdrew from a major tournament last month after losing to Hans. He has not made a statement, but it is understood that he suspects Hans of cheating. Hans has admitted to cheating online, though he denies cheating in person. As more evidence comes out, it seems that Hans has cheated a lot more than he admitted, and potentially over the board as well (for example, this analysis [1] shows that he's…
I don’t understand why people are going out their way to justify Carlsen attitude. What we have is the world champion throwing a tantrum because he lost against a player there is absolutely no evidence has cheated against him and is now calling for him to be expelled despite having no evidence whatsoever. This is harassment pure and simple. The whole thing is disgraceful and reflects extremely badly on competitive ch…
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> because AlphaZero works much more similar to humans than alpha-beta search. Just curious, what do you base that on? Is there a relevant article? If so I'd love to read it.
Broadly speaking, NN based engines make more human looking moves compared to rule-based evaluations: https://www.cs.toronto.edu/~ashton/pubs/maia-kdd2020.pdf
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Do they Xray their clothing and shoes? Is there an anal inspection of sorts? Do they ban all RF devices and run wide-spectrum spectrum analysers?
Aren't you going a bit over the top with these suggestions?
And honestly, even if it was proposed as a joke, a bluetooth buttplug actually sounds like a good secret channel for small amounts of information if you don't mind it sitting there. You're probably can feel the vibration very well and add some bits with different vibration speeds and patterns. I feel like the shoe method would require you to have your feet still and it's easier to enforce a shoe check than an anal probing...