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Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

FooHentai wrote: post #29
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand why people are going out their way to justify Carlsen attitude. What we have is the world champion throwing a tantrum because he lost against a player there is absolutely no evidence has cheated against him and is now calling for him to be expelled despite having no evidence whatsoever. This is harassment pure and simple. The whole thing is disgraceful and reflects extremely badly on competitive ch…

I'm with Carlsen on this. If you're caught or admit to cheating even once in a professional competitive career that's it - You should be out for good. That we have this bizarre attitude of permissiveness and time salvation around cheaters in competition is frankly bizarre. What other argument is there than to refuse to engage. It is not difficult to simply never cheat, in the same way that it is not difficult to simp…

> I'm with Carlsen on this. If you're caught or admit to cheating even once in a professional competitive career that's it - You should be out for good.

That’s absolutely not the rule and neither you nor Carlsen get to decide that.

There is no permissiveness here. Hans has played according to the rule of the tournament. There is no evidence of cheating. That’s it.

Unless you have proof of what you are advancing, you are just bullying a teenager. The conduct of the chess community has a whole has been nothing short of shameful in this instance.

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Post by KingMob »

Y-bar wrote: post #21
ramraj07 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who’s never been able to appreciate or follow sports where a machine can be an order of magnitude better than a human, I would genuinely like to understand why people are enamored about such sports. In the end it seems like brilliant minds lost in math that’s not even novel anymore.. again everyone should do what they please, but this is just an academic question from someone unable to appreciate such skil…

Why throw javelins when intercontinental missiles exists?

To be fair, athletes throwing ICBMs would really up the excitement of the Olympics.

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Post by Ma8ee »

bambax wrote: post #26
Macha wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why care about racing when a motor vehicle can do travel at speed better, by that logic?

Boxing vs. gun fight. Fencing vs. well, gun fight. Swimming vs. motorboats? Bobsleigh vs... gravity? In most sports it's possible to find a machine that does it better/faster, but sports are about humans measuring themselves against one another, not against a machine.

There are still quite a bit of sports where machines can’t compete, like tennis or soccer.

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Post by radarsat1 »

xiphias2 wrote: post #32

I love what Magnus is doing. Of course can't accuse Hans of cheating, because AlphaZero works much more similar to humans than alpha-beta search. The article shows the amount of pressure tournament organizers are putting on him, but nowdays the money is in streaming more than in tournaments.

> because AlphaZero works much more similar to humans than alpha-beta search.

Just curious, what do you base that on? Is there a relevant article? If so I'd love to read it.

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Post by spoonjim »

ramraj07 wrote: post #4
tibbar wrote: post #2

For context, Magnus withdrew from a major tournament last month after losing to Hans. He has not made a statement, but it is understood that he suspects Hans of cheating. Hans has admitted to cheating online, though he denies cheating in person. As more evidence comes out, it seems that Hans has cheated a lot more than he admitted, and potentially over the board as well (for example, this analysis [1] shows that he's…

As someone who’s never been able to appreciate or follow sports where a machine can be an order of magnitude better than a human, I would genuinely like to understand why people are enamored about such sports. In the end it seems like brilliant minds lost in math that’s not even novel anymore.. again everyone should do what they please, but this is just an academic question from someone unable to appreciate such skil…

Aren't machines better than humans at most sports? Hand off a football to an Abrams tank and it's not getting tackled on its way to the goal line.

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Post by Scarblac »

FooHentai wrote: post #29
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand why people are going out their way to justify Carlsen attitude. What we have is the world champion throwing a tantrum because he lost against a player there is absolutely no evidence has cheated against him and is now calling for him to be expelled despite having no evidence whatsoever. This is harassment pure and simple. The whole thing is disgraceful and reflects extremely badly on competitive ch…

I'm with Carlsen on this. If you're caught or admit to cheating even once in a professional competitive career that's it - You should be out for good. That we have this bizarre attitude of permissiveness and time salvation around cheaters in competition is frankly bizarre. What other argument is there than to refuse to engage. It is not difficult to simply never cheat, in the same way that it is not difficult to simp…

But online blitz chess when you're 16 is not "part of a professional competitive career".

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Post by FooHentai »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #41
FooHentai wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm with Carlsen on this. If you're caught or admit to cheating even once in a professional competitive career that's it - You should be out for good. That we have this bizarre attitude of permissiveness and time salvation around cheaters in competition is frankly bizarre. What other argument is there than to refuse to engage. It is not difficult to simply never cheat, in the same way that it is not difficult to simp…

> I'm with Carlsen on this. If you're caught or admit to cheating even once in a professional competitive career that's it - You should be out for good. That’s absolutely not the rule and neither you nor Carlsen get to decide that. There is no permissiveness here. Hans has played according to the rule of the tournament. There is no evidence of cheating. That’s it. Unless you have proof of what you are advancing, you…

Does any of what you just said not also apply to Carlsen?

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

romanovcode wrote: post #24
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand why people are going out their way to justify Carlsen attitude. What we have is the world champion throwing a tantrum because he lost against a player there is absolutely no evidence has cheated against him and is now calling for him to be expelled despite having no evidence whatsoever. This is harassment pure and simple. The whole thing is disgraceful and reflects extremely badly on competitive ch…

>is now calling for him to be expelled He made no comment.

He just refused to play against him. You don’t need to talk to make a comment.

I don’t understand how an adult can defend Magnus there. As a public figure his attitude is simply shocking.

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