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Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Misleading title and article. Facebook and Instagram are allowing people in countries neighboring Russia to call for violence against Russian who are not civilians. "We still won’t allow credible calls for violence against Russian civilians,” Meta said in a statement." Source: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/mar/11/facebook-... This article from Reuters is at best clickbait, and at worse Russian pro-war p…

"We won't allow credible calls for violence against Russian civilians," says Meta. They define credible as: having two "indicators of credibility", such as location or method. That is a considerably higher bar than for any other group. And that's referring to civilians, not soldiers. In a separate, internal memo, they explicitly say that hate speech and violent speech against Russian civilians is allowed "if the cont…

> That's sufficiently vague that the policy allows for dehumanization.

You're right to be concerned about dehumanisation, and to raise questions about Meta's ability to manage it.

However, when you consider that they are only allowing hate speech for the region affected by Russia's war, you'll realise that most of the people venting will either be personally affected or know someone who is.

I have to ask; in what way do you think someone could call for the death of Russian civilisans specifically in the context of the Russian invasion? I'm struggling to think of an example to support your argument. Perhaps you will provide one?

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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>Term "Nazi" originally and in modern Russian [propaganda] have a different meaning. The militia that Stepan Bandera was a leader of exterminated an estimated ~200,000 Jews. I don't think the term "Nazi" is as different as you claim. Please provide sources for any counterarguments you make. I welcome legitimate pushback to this polling data and the public historical claims.

> The militia that Stepan Bandera was a leader of exterminated an estimated ~200,000 Jews That would constitute a crime against humanity. Can you point to any trial against members of this organisation?

>Can you point to any trial against members of this organisation?

That question is a canard, US allies are generally always given a pass.

The Imperial Japanese got a slap on the wrist for mass murders in Asia during WW2 criminal trials, since they were helping destabilize China.

Ukrainian Nazi groups were given similar treatment since they were helping fight the USSR.

This is common knowledge that any observant historian can verify.

Here are some details of the horrific history of Ukrainian Banderites committing genocide against innocent Jewish civilians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia...

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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With the Budapest Memorandum, the UK agreed to > Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to Belarus, Kazakhstan or Ukraine if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used". Which it did. While the British assurance to Poland was: > ...in the event of any action which clearly threatened Polish independence, and which…

In other words, WW2 could have been stopped if we would have just let Hitler exterminate the Jews and Slavs.

Remind me, which country intervened in WW2 with the express purpose of stopping the extermination of Jews and Slavs?

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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> The militia that Stepan Bandera was a leader of exterminated an estimated ~200,000 Jews That would constitute a crime against humanity. Can you point to any trial against members of this organisation?

>Can you point to any trial against members of this organisation? That question is a canard, US allies are generally always given a pass. The Imperial Japanese got a slap on the wrist for mass murders in Asia during WW2 criminal trials, since they were helping destabilize China. Ukrainian Nazi groups were given similar treatment since they were helping fight the USSR. This is common knowledge that any observant histo…

TL;DR the link is about Ukrainians vs. Poles, not about Jews and/or Holocaust

Ukrainians and Poles were enthusiastically massacring each other for hundreds of years for various reasons (Catholics vs. Orthodox, serfs vs. land owners, nationalists vs. nationalists and so on). This part of history is accepted by both sides. It's true, that collateral damage included Jews sometimes. Some Eastern European Jewish historians describe it as "always choosing the wrong side". Jews were targeted for managing estates of Polish nobility, participation in establishment of Communist rule in Ukraine in 1920s, participation in establishment of Soviet rule in 1939-1941 in Western Ukraine. But they were never targeted for being Jews.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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>Can you point to any trial against members of this organisation? That question is a canard, US allies are generally always given a pass. The Imperial Japanese got a slap on the wrist for mass murders in Asia during WW2 criminal trials, since they were helping destabilize China. Ukrainian Nazi groups were given similar treatment since they were helping fight the USSR. This is common knowledge that any observant histo…

TL;DR the link is about Ukrainians vs. Poles, not about Jews and/or Holocaust Ukrainians and Poles were enthusiastically massacring each other for hundreds of years for various reasons (Catholics vs. Orthodox, serfs vs. land owners, nationalists vs. nationalists and so on). This part of history is accepted by both sides. It's true, that collateral damage included Jews sometimes. Some Eastern European Jewish historian…

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Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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>Can you point to any trial against members of this organisation? That question is a canard, US allies are generally always given a pass. The Imperial Japanese got a slap on the wrist for mass murders in Asia during WW2 criminal trials, since they were helping destabilize China. Ukrainian Nazi groups were given similar treatment since they were helping fight the USSR. This is common knowledge that any observant histo…

TL;DR the link is about Ukrainians vs. Poles, not about Jews and/or Holocaust Ukrainians and Poles were enthusiastically massacring each other for hundreds of years for various reasons (Catholics vs. Orthodox, serfs vs. land owners, nationalists vs. nationalists and so on). This part of history is accepted by both sides. It's true, that collateral damage included Jews sometimes. Some Eastern European Jewish historian…

>But they were never targeted for being Jews.

I'm not sure why you are making so many ahistorical claims that are extremely easy to refute. Do you have an agenda?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia...

>During the first year of the German occupation, the OUN urged its members to join German police units. They were trained in the use of weapons so they could assist the German SS in the murder of approximately 200,000 Volhynian Jews.

This page has links to 18 separate massacres where people in Ukraine were killed specifically because they were jews. Stop spreading disinformation and engaging in holocaust denial. The famous Simon Weisanthal even survived one of the massacres.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_Ukraine

>The most notorious massacre of Jews in Ukraine was at the Babi Yar ravine outside Kiev, where 33,771 Jews were killed in a single operation on 29–30 September 1941

>According to The Simon Wiesenthal Center (in January 2011) "Ukraine has, to the best of our knowledge, never conducted a single investigation of a local Nazi war criminal, let alone prosecuted a Holocaust perpetrator."

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How did you get your information that he is 'unstable"?

...the sources said Macron had been struck by how different Putin was to the man he had met in his summer residence on the French Riviera three years ago. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/moscow-macron-found-dif...

Is he a psychiatric doctor?

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Those Nazi groups may have been established by a certain foreign nation primarily to discredit the civil movement and to establish cause for military intervention.

Doesn't seem likely, TBH. Azov Battalion is apparently part of the Ukraine's national guard [1]. [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

Somehow, that particular page doesn’t seem trustworthy at this point in time.
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