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Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by inapis »

Axsuul wrote: post #121
jdhendrickson wrote: post #56

Mea Culpa I'm in the industry. I knew we should have had backups. She is brilliant but not technical and while the backups would have been expensive and difficult due to size, I should have built multiple NAS and distributed them geographically and used Syncthing to keep them updated. To be clear we were legacy G-suite users and have converted to paying customers, so it was a free service while this happened, and is…

You did the best you could with the information you were given. I don't think anyone should have to resort to building multiple NAS and distributing them geographically. It's 2022 and this an extremely esoteric thing to do. Going forward though, Vimeo feels like a better fit for you guys. Caveat emptor, never rely on free services for critical parts of your operation.

>I don't think anyone should have to resort to building multiple NAS and distributing them geographically. It's 2022 and this an extremely esoteric thing to do.

Given how giant companies (especially Google) behave, I do not feel it is an esoteric thing to do. Anyone with even a modicum of technical skill can roll their DIY NAS. For the non-tech savvy, buying off the shelf is fine.

Should not be needed in real life but this is the world we live in where robots have way too powerful ban hammers and the only way to get any support is to make sound in public forums or have a large social following.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by IshKebab »

ForHackernews wrote: post #48
antoniuschan99 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope she can recover those videos. Aside from not backing up initially, I’m also wondering why or if she did anything after getting those 3 strike warnings :$

What can you do? Isn't a bot? It's not like you can respond and explain yourself.

I think he meant something like "shit they're going to remove all my videos in 2 days, I'd better back them up".

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by rapind »

ilamont wrote: post #97

How many more pleas like this will we see on HN? Or, hear from friends, colleagues, and relatives who have been locked out or denied access to an important service, either through no fault of their own or by an innocent action? No warning. No explanation other than "suspicious activity" or "violation of [vaguely worded] policy." No human to call who can help troubleshoot, other than a tech-savvy friend or relative. N…

I'm not sure how this could work for a free service at scale. Treating a free youtube account as a video storage service is a really bad idea. I think the issue is that this works for most people most of the time, so we come to expect it.

There are alternative paid options (vimeo, dropbox, S3) that should work fine.

This is also a big problem with gmail, hotmail, and a thousand other email providers. Most people assume their data is permanent and safe in a free email account. That's probably true 99.99% of the time, but it's not guaranteed. If your data is important, you should really pay someone to host it, or back it up yourself.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by retube »

stackedinserter wrote: post #192
WheelsAtLarge wrote: post #78

FYI, before you chastise the OP for not backing up, please take a minute and think about the fact that this can happen with Gmail too. Have you backed up your email? I think Google has the responsibility to make it VERY clear that you can lose access to your content without notice. I don't think users truly understand that now.

Seriously, we've been in this for a decade at least. There was enough time to learn this single lesson: data stored in someone's cloud is not your data. In 2022 it's plain stupid to keep your email in Gmail or rely on Google Photos as the only storage for your family archive. People pay $15/mo for Netflix, but can't pay $50/year for a email address? Nobody will lend a random person $1000, but people still happily giv…

Any recommendations for commercial email?

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by Freak_NL »

vero2 wrote: post #318
jdhendrickson wrote: post #56

Mea Culpa I'm in the industry. I knew we should have had backups. She is brilliant but not technical and while the backups would have been expensive and difficult due to size, I should have built multiple NAS and distributed them geographically and used Syncthing to keep them updated. To be clear we were legacy G-suite users and have converted to paying customers, so it was a free service while this happened, and is…

> multiple NAS and distributed them geographically and used Syncthing to keep them updated As some one working in storage, please do not get tons of NAS they are pain to manage eventually. Example: linus-tech-tips could not do it properly. If you use youtube-dl how large is one video? Lets say 2 GB. I presume, every week you create have 2 videos? Then 4GB per week. Google gives you $20 for 100 GB. Every year create a…

Recommending Google as a backup in case Google decides to delete your videos sounds a bit suboptimal. Go with hosted backup; sure, for this use case that makes sense. But do so with a different company.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by ksec »

baash05 wrote: post #268
ksec wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I would describe an off-the-shelf NAS as easy and cheap Only Qnap offers ZFS and Synology offer BTRFS. And none of these file system are default option. ( I dont think they do scheduled scrubbing by default either ) They are also only available on mid range model. Qnap had third or forth security issues with Bitcoin ransomeware. Synology requires lot of work to turn off All internet facing features. To the point the…

Seems to me a DVD burner would work wonder here. Make a vid, upload it to Youtub, burn a copy, put it in a sleeve, and you have a very reliable backup system. I've got DVD's that I made over 15 years ago, that are still watchable.. I've got a CD that I burned 21 years ago (wedding music). It's in my car right now.

Yes. But just want to mention self burnt DVD and CD degrade in quality over time. You may want something like M-Disk [1]. ( Someone on HN introduced it to me )

Unfortunately there aren't much R&D into optical disc technology. Would have been nice if we get 1TB per disc.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-DISC

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by timc3 »

vero2 wrote: post #318
jdhendrickson wrote: post #56

Mea Culpa I'm in the industry. I knew we should have had backups. She is brilliant but not technical and while the backups would have been expensive and difficult due to size, I should have built multiple NAS and distributed them geographically and used Syncthing to keep them updated. To be clear we were legacy G-suite users and have converted to paying customers, so it was a free service while this happened, and is…

> multiple NAS and distributed them geographically and used Syncthing to keep them updated As some one working in storage, please do not get tons of NAS they are pain to manage eventually. Example: linus-tech-tips could not do it properly. If you use youtube-dl how large is one video? Lets say 2 GB. I presume, every week you create have 2 videos? Then 4GB per week. Google gives you $20 for 100 GB. Every year create a…

Linus tech tips are not exactly professionals though they have learnt a bit over the years, but it is why they mess up all the time. It makes it amusing for me, but their advice is often worst practice.

NAS is fine if you know what you are doing, cloud storage (S3, GCS, B2) is probably best though.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by pvaldes »

kc10 wrote: post #241

This is extremely concerning. I have several of my daughter's childhood videos on YT as private videos and several hundreds of GBs of pictures in Google photos. And I literally don't have any backup for all this content. I previously used external drives, but I moved them to the cloud so they are easily accessible and not have the risk of hardware failures. I guess not a good idea to just rely on cloud providers for…

Do a google takeout. Now.

Is good for you and is good for Google not having to bear the unique responsibility over your memories. Win-win.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by vero2 »

Freak_NL wrote: post #326
vero2 wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> multiple NAS and distributed them geographically and used Syncthing to keep them updated As some one working in storage, please do not get tons of NAS they are pain to manage eventually. Example: linus-tech-tips could not do it properly. If you use youtube-dl how large is one video? Lets say 2 GB. I presume, every week you create have 2 videos? Then 4GB per week. Google gives you $20 for 100 GB. Every year create a…

Recommending Google as a backup in case Google decides to delete your videos sounds a bit suboptimal. Go with hosted backup; sure, for this use case that makes sense. But do so with a different company.

acquiring talent to manage google drive is easy. Not cheap or easy for Amazon/B2.
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