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Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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What PII are you putting on a forum? All I can think of is email and password. Your password should be unique to the forum, and I would hardly say that an email address is PII. If you're super worried about email, just use an alias.

> “ I would hardly say that an email address is PII. ” The EU General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA) say they are.

Only if it can be associated with your person somehow.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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I really miss NNTP. I appreciate that spam was a huge problem, but it was really nice being able to discover and subscribe to a large number of topics and navigate them all from the same tool. And there was innovation in the client space. Reddit is probably the closest alternative I know of today. But, several communities treat an associated sub-reddit as unofficial in favor of their Discourse instance. However, I si…

Is there a reason why Discourse’s email notifications aren’t helping?

With NNTP, I could access the entire archive and it's separate from my email account. As far as I know, Discourse notifications only start from the date you subscribe, which makes it fine for new conversations, but isn't terribly useful when trying to avoid asking a question that's already been answered. Trying to be a good netizen, I search the archive first, but that brings me back to an isolated Discourse web instance.

Additionally, with NNTP, the "sign up" process is very low friction. With Discourse, I need to seek out each community separately. It's enough work where I'm unlikely to experiment with new communities.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Meanwhile the community is having a big debate over the CoC, deciding what exact wording they should use to say "be nice and include everyone".

Why just communities be forced to accept everyone? Or even be nice? When in a group of friends we can often times not “be nice” however because we know each other, we understand it comes from a place of love. Perhaps it’s a military background thing, but exclusivity has its benefits.

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Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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I would argue that "modern UX expectations" is a large part of the problem with Discourse. Infinite scrolling is one prominent example. Wasteful whitespace is another.

Not everyone has the same UI tastes _shrug_. There's no need to turn this into a bikeshed on UI tastes.

You're right. But the way to do so is to give users a choice, instead of using solutions that bundle the server side with the UX.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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On pretty much any other web page, Ctrl+F will search whatever is on the page; why should Discourse be any different? I don't mind them having a server-side search function that actually searches the entire thread. I do mind having a heavily-used shortcut hijacked to behave in a non-standard way.

Try pressing CTRL+F twice and see what happens

Oh, I'm well aware of this workaround. The problem is that Ctrl+F is muscle memory by now, so I usually hit it and immediately start typing... then notice that it's the wrong search, swear, hit it again, and type again.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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It needs to so that it can search on the backend and show you all instances of that search rather than just what the currently loaded DOM elements contain.

This is a great example of a "feature" that seems to make sense but, for reasons I can't quite put my finger on, really bothers me. Maybe it's that Discourse's search functionality didn't really work well, or suddenly started searching across threads rather than only the current one (IIRC); maybe it's that it's the only system I can think of (other than google docs) that hijacks the shortcut, but it gave me a very ne…

For another similar example, the Blendle website (note - not the app!) hijacks Esc when reading an article, and interprets it as a shortcut to return to the main page of the site. I actually reported it as an issue to them, and they said it's by design and not going to change. :/

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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The discord/slack as a means of communicating technical questions is a great example how an entire generation refused to accept a solid solution because it didn't fit their impediment desire. (Need is wavy here because the responsiveness isn't the original need.. it's the answering of the question that's a need.. being instanteous is just a convenience ) What am I saying: We've had technical mediums to discuss techni…

If conversation threading were enforced adequately in a Slack/Discord, a bot could watch threads for a heuristic of usefulness and kick off the archival of some form of read-only SEO-happy forum-like store.

Being a bit pedantic in the case of Slack:

You can't write a bot to archive this.

It's in Slack's financial interest to prevent this as that it would save messages that would otherwise only exist in their paid version.

Secondly, that assumed that the users are behaving in a way that classifies those messages as a threaded manner. Depending on humans to go back after a conversation has taken place to classify and organize that conversation isn't a highly rewarding activity.

Another concern: The medium is a temporary and off the cuff one.. this may lead to negative reprocutions for non-agreeing tribal members to defame someone. (A sabiture turning on that feature on discords that are private) [Given today's moralistic "cancel culture" - this is a very real possiblity]

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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post #208

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I definitely see an issue with this. Fortunately, at least GitHub is readable without running non-free code and is searchable. I guess you can also participate with one of those alternative clients. You are still not in control of your community, and I'd like this monopoly to vanish.

Discord is readable from a web browser just like GitHub is.

Discord is not really readable at all, in any format. It's a mess.
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