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Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by gremloni »

adwi wrote: post #173
542458 wrote: post #107

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Re: Indian Point - containment buildings are pretty armoured by design. The Indian point containment vessel walls are several feet of high-grade steel reinforced concrete. You might be thinking of the skinny, low quality rebar used in common construction at this point - this isn’t that, the rebar here is 2.25 inches thick, made of good-quality steel, and spaced every fifteen inches or so. The containment building is…

> The containment building is also smaller than a 747, so you can’t transfer the entire plane’s energy to it like you could with a larger target like the towers. I know very little about physics and found this to be an unexpected point I’d like to understand more. Could you explain?

I’m no expert at physics but the towers were more “collapsible” so they would absorb more of the momentum from the planes.

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Post by gremloni »

photochemsyn wrote: post #62

When reviewing 9/11 attacks (likely the biggest and most disastrous intelligence failure in U.S. history, give or take Pearl Harbor), it's worth remembering that it could have been much worse. If the first plane had hit Indian Point nuclear reactor what, 30 miles from NYC and upwind? It's likely a Chernobyl/Fukushima disaster would have resulted with an exclusion zone well into NYC. That was reportedly part of the pl…

Saudi Arabia is not a regime. It’s the most powerful tribal family in a country of family/tribes all of whom have the same perspective. Never mind the fact that it’s a very rich country in country with obnoxious human rights abuses when it comes to migrant workers but still has no poverty. Even amongst the migrants. Not to mention that in my opinion they treat women exactly how they should be treated.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by tyingq »

adventured wrote: post #310
tyingq wrote: post #229

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>Most of them killed by the same people the US targeted. That just sounds crazy given that our first retaliation for 9/11 was Iraq. Which had nothing to do with 9/11, and further...no "WMDs".

> That just sounds crazy given that our first retaliation for 9/11 was Iraq. The first retaliation for 9/11 was not Iraq. That's a really bizarrely inaccurate claim. The US invaded Afghanistan and removed the Taliban from control of the country by the end of 2001. Operation Enduring Freedom launched in October 2001. The Iraq invasion was 2003. The US initially sent its special forces into Afghanistan shortly after 9/…

Yes, sorry, not the first. Too late to edit, unfortunately.

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Post by tommymachine »

orf wrote: post #308
tommymachine wrote: post #302

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life is like, temporary dude. so like just ignore the pandemic and like just focus on freedom man. masks are for sheep and my personal freedom to be able to visit a mcdonalds without a mask means more to me than the potential side effect of indirectly killing someone. you see i don't care about the endless restrictions of my freedom placed upon me post 9/11, i care about this highly specific and politicised position…

Patriot Act is unconstitutional. You think I watch Faux News?

By the way, the first article on your site has nothing to do with the title. You don't even mention lossless audio format in the entire body, just pure UX gripes with the app (design and bugs).

You must be real smart though. Have you thought about applying to work at the White House?

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Post by serverholic »

mkr-hn wrote: post #293
serverholic wrote: post #278

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My bad I didn't realize you were the authority on humor.

I'm the authority on humor. A joke has some kind of structure, usually a setup, some kind of carry-through, and a punchline. What you have is a sentence.

TIL humor must adhere to a formula. Thank you sir.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by fighterpilot »

photochemsyn wrote: post #62

When reviewing 9/11 attacks (likely the biggest and most disastrous intelligence failure in U.S. history, give or take Pearl Harbor), it's worth remembering that it could have been much worse. If the first plane had hit Indian Point nuclear reactor what, 30 miles from NYC and upwind? It's likely a Chernobyl/Fukushima disaster would have resulted with an exclusion zone well into NYC. That was reportedly part of the pl…

> Iraq

Regarding WMDs, intelligence couldn't be released because it was supposedly sensitive.

What if they were required to release an md5sum of a tarball of the intelligence, perhaps with associated metadata to make it infeasible to fabricate/game. This process is overseen by a judge or independent body. Then 5-15 years later they release it in full when that intelligence is no longer sensitive?

This is a way to get around the excuse of sensitivity. Sort of like a time-shifted FOIA request. It'd be a great way to strengthen our democratic institutions, deter lying and corruption and manufactured consent, neuter conspiracy theories of a deep state, improve everyone's confidence in institutions, and for accountability and transparency.

Perhaps this isn't feasibile in practice, though, if the intelligence involves spies/assets that are still operational, or if it would involve revealing secrets around capabilities and methods. However, if that's the case, then they could release say 100 md5sums corresponding to the 100 documents, and only release the subset of which is no longer sensitive, with a judge appointed to determine the legitimacy of the claim of sensitivity, and forcing the release of the subset of documents not deemed to be sufficiently sensitive.

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Post by ratsmack »

mkr-hn wrote: post #293
serverholic wrote: post #278

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My bad I didn't realize you were the authority on humor.

I'm the authority on humor. A joke has some kind of structure, usually a setup, some kind of carry-through, and a punchline. What you have is a sentence.

Deadpan humor looks like a sentence.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by mcguire »

yyyk wrote: post #226
vmception wrote: post #92

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We could have done regime change in Saudi Arabia and still had petrodollars Sometimes its useful to think inside the box But yeah current Saudi Arabia is a good deal for the US, hard to get others so heavily intertwined financially. Might as well not touch it.

>We could have done regime change in Saudi Arabia and still had petrodollars Very unlikely. Any military involvement anywhere near Mecca and Medina is off the table barring being invited or some utterly insane scenario.

"...barring being invited or some utterly insane scenario."

I think you're being redundant there. US troops anywhere in Saudi Arabia is kind of a big deal.

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Post by garaetjjte »

JamilD wrote: post #220
jazzyjackson wrote: post #159

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I thought I remembered the plot to the 1996 film “executive decision” as being a debate whether to shoot the passenger jet out of the sky because the plane was going to be used as a missile, but i just read the plot again and they were going to detonate a nerve agent bomb on board the plane while over a us city, so, similar but not quite a prediction of the predicament.

I just started watching the historical footage from CNN; it's interesting to hear the commentary in between when the first and second planes hit the tower. "Was the plane having any difficulty flying?" "Yes, it seemed to be rocking back and forth" "Was this a navigational error?" An announcement in the South Tower immediately after the crash instructed people to stay in their offices. Even after the second tower was…

That depends on the channel though. On one labeled "NEWSW" they said "I think we have a terrorist act of proportions that we cannot begin to imagine at this juncture. " immediately after second hit.

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Post by fouc »

photochemsyn wrote: post #62

When reviewing 9/11 attacks (likely the biggest and most disastrous intelligence failure in U.S. history, give or take Pearl Harbor), it's worth remembering that it could have been much worse. If the first plane had hit Indian Point nuclear reactor what, 30 miles from NYC and upwind? It's likely a Chernobyl/Fukushima disaster would have resulted with an exclusion zone well into NYC. That was reportedly part of the pl…

> We should have left Iraq and Afghanistan alone and done the regime change op in Saudi Arabia

I'm reminded of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnOdULpV810

TL;DW It had nothing to do with the regime in Saudi Arabia. Bin laden and supporters were a fringe group.

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