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Post by WalterBright »

aplummer wrote: post #310
WalterBright wrote: post #278

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I fear the sweeping new police and surveillance powers handed to the government to protect us from a statistically nonexistent threat.

The nearly 40 thousand victims (4 per 100k) of gun violence and suicide-by-firearm each year in the USA may be meaningless to you, but they are not statistically non-existent any more than their lives were statistically non-existent.

1. these are not mass shootings. You've shifted your stance from mass shootings to all gun deaths.

2. half are suicides by gun. You do not need to fear them.

3. most of the rest are concentrated in a handful of areas, like some neighborhoods in Chicago. It is indeed prudent to avoid them

4. again, you started out talking about fear of mass shootings. This is what I was addressing. Nowhere have I claimed that gun deaths are not tragedies.

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Post by hatware »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #261
swayson wrote: post #158

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Oh sorry, yes it the matrix reference.

Right, but like besides a reference, is there something you'd suggest as an action? (which represents taking the redpill)

The "Red-pill" in the Matrix signifies an action which one cannot go back on. It is an action which requires the user to shatter their built-up version of reality forever (signified by the the blue-pills they have been taking all along).

We need more people to challenge their view of reality, and accept that things may not be as happy and comfortable as we want them to be for the security of our futures and our children's futures.

And no, I don't mean "global warming is destroying the ability for life to live" wise, I mean in terms of how much our politicians and public servants are truly serving us at this point. Voting for lifelong politicians more or less got us here, the red pill is accepting that these people may have always had more sinister plans in mind than we thought.

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Post by desertraven »

As an Australian, how concerned should I be about this authoritarian trend?

I've heard people saying that Australia is used as a test-bed for government policy. I've also heard the creep of China could be the cause of this trend.

I've seen how quickly a functioning country can dissolve (Syria, Ukraine, Hong Kong). Just how concerned should we be about this? And apart from voting, is there any kind of action that can be taken?

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Post by systemvoltage »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #85
asien wrote: post #54

Reminds me of anti-free speech laws that was almost passed in France. It was designed to help fight « hate speech ». It enable police to remove literally ANY content from the interne t as long as it was « hateful » of course there is no legal definition of hateful. I think similar laws have been passed in Belgium and Germany. I find it funny that has economic growth from the post war era is slowing down and climate c…

At least in France people will protest. Places like Australia, NZ and Canada have far too much trust in the government...

As an American with staunch opinion about civil liberties, I love France for this matter. I recall Charlie-hedbo and their stance towards freedom of speech/press during the shooting that killed several cartoonists a few years ago. The entire world mourned that moment. It was sad and beautiful to see everyone raise their voices against supression of speech.

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Post by morganvachon »

zargon wrote: post #190
morganvachon wrote: post #141

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I own several domains, and I have two valid email addresses at two personal domains hosted with a small US hosting provider, but I don't want those to end up in spammer lists so I use them sparingly. For a main email address I'm better off with a large email-focused provider that has tools to handle all the spam that builds up from an address used for online purchases and forum/social accounts, and as I mentioned Fas…

When people say use your own domain, they mean use your own domain at the email provider of your choice. You don't miss out on any of their tools by using your own domain.

I get that, and as I said Fastmail has the best tools for managing email, so since none of the other major email providers have the features I want it wouldn’t do me any good to move my own domains to any of them. I’m sorry if that wasn’t clear in my previous message.

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Post by [deleted] »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #32
koolba wrote: post #8

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Wouldn’t a brain drain lead to even dumber laws?

Democracy leads to dumb laws. It's a tyranny of the bottom 51%ile. I say this a little tongue in cheek, but it's a real problem I've yet to understand -- how can an outlier intelligent person thrive in a system that caters to the masses? The masses have an incentive to drain any marginal value out of the intelligent, and have the political power to do so. Edit: @majormajor sorry HN wont let me reply. The reason would…

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Post by mullingitover »

stereolambda wrote: post #255
mullingitover wrote: post #221

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I would expect as much, just based on how badly direct democracies have performed historically. John Adams said, "Remember Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes exhausts and murders itself. There never was a Democracy Yet, that did not commit suicide. It is in vain to Say that Democracy is less vain, less proud, less selfish, less ambitious or less avaricious than Aristocracy or Monarchy." In the past, democracy…

Well, it's interesting, then, that Switzerland is one of the oldest political regimes in Europe. This kind of rhetoric tends to come from elitist thinkers that would want a guarantee of power over people because they think they are right and somehow destined to have it. If we are on topic of exchanging opinions of famous men, I think Machiavelli said that the people can be misled and go astray but are not prevented b…

> Switzerland is one of the oldest political regimes in Europe.

The age of their regime has nothing to do with their history of practicing direct democracy, that happened well after the founding of the US.

> This kind of rhetoric tends to come from elitist thinkers that would want a guarantee of power over people because they think they are right and somehow destined to have it.

On the contrary, I'm just defending the wisdom of the existing constitutional republic framework that we have currently. There's obvious value in constitutional safeguards against the whims of the mob, while still giving the citizenry a say in the long-term direction of the state.

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Post by axguscbklp »

TameAntelope wrote: post #298
axguscbklp wrote: post #287

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Psychologically I think it is very easy to resolve any possible contradictions. "My side are the real patriots - their side are false patriots who are actually bootlickers/oppressors/occupiers/traitors/etcetera."

I think you're getting wrapped up in the word choice here. Someone espousing these beliefs is supporting the killing of cops and soldiers, an act which is very often reprehensible in the same circles.

I think that most people who generally support cops and soldiers but who also contemplate violent resistance against the US government have already thought through this issue and their usual resolution is "I generally support cops and soldiers for now but if they cross certain lines then I am fine with fighting against them". I do not think that there is nearly as much cognitive dissonance or hypocrisy on this topic among those people as you might think there is.

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Post by dang »

8372050 wrote: post #317
dang wrote: post #207

Recent and related: Australian Police get online account takeover, data disruption powers - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28364140 - Aug 2021 (77 comments) ‘Extraordinary’ hacking powers pass Australian Parliament - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28311722 - Aug 2021 (212 comments) Australia is becoming a surveillance state - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28139048 - Aug 2021 (423 comments)

418 votes submitted 3 hours ago and the story can't be found on the front page The top commenter is throwaway created an hour ago Curious how ranking works on HN. If that hasn't been answered already.

It set off the flamewar detector.

Comment ranking doesn't depend on account age.

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