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Police have been quitting in droves in the last year

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Re: Police have been quitting in droves in the last year

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Post by billosag »

fighterpilot wrote: post #169
Disruptive_Dave wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Potential for death is a very limited way to measure dangerous occupations/activities.

Not sure why you're downvoted. Chronic stress should be considered. Police have a much lower life expectancy than regular people. This could be either selection bias or the impact of chronic stress, and it has little to do with dying as an immediate proximate consequence of the occupation.

Many police officers are overweight, perhaps lack of exercise is causing this lower life expectancy.

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Post by bena »

dang wrote: post #318
bena wrote: post #23

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But they don't want that either. They want to keep everything they have and have other people handle all of that stuff they don't want to.

Please don't take HN threads further into cheap ideological flamewar. It's predictable, boring, and nasty, regardless of what you're flaming for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

The only way what I said is indicative of a "cheap, ideological flamewar" is if what I said wasn't true.

And the person who "disagreed" with me wound up saying he did agree with me. That the police do not want to lose budget. But they do want to do less. He essentially opposed that I used the pronoun "they" to refer to "the police".

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Post by joejerryronnie »

yardie wrote: post #267
joejerryronnie wrote: post #263

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I’m talking about a few people I know personally who happen to be cops (some white dudes, some POCs). Obviously this is anecdotal, as is the original comment I replied to. However, I did experience profiling several times when I was younger and drove a mini-truck in the Bay Area. I have slightly darker skin and am routinely mistaken for hispanic. In the couple of years I owned the mini-truck, I was pulled over severa…

This... "outside of the initial profiling" doesn't jibe with this... "let me on my way without any harassment."

Sure, I should have said without any further harassment. But they did not escalate the situation. I’m sure if I was not very compliant, things could have turned out differently.

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Post by 9wzYQbTYsAIc »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #301
9wzYQbTYsAIc wrote: post #297

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That is not a correct reading of the quoted analysis. In tabular form: CIT 3% police-based specialized mental health response 12% mental- health-based specialized mental health response 30% no formal policy 55%

Agreed. And the relevant sentences, within the paragraph about CIT: > CIT officers make up about 15 to 20 percent of patrol officers and receive 40 hours of training that focuses on scenarios derived from actual incidents. Officers receive extensive training in de-escalation techniques. It's ambiguous whether "officers" in the second sentence refers to all officers or only CIT officers (I read it as the latter). Rega…

In reply to your edit, you also need to account for the same training that may or may not be provided in all the other cases. This review article did not highlight any such data, but it likely exists in the research under review or in other available research

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Post by ShroudedNight »

9wzYQbTYsAIc wrote: post #316
threatofrain wrote: post #310

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> When it comes to analysis of job hazards, death is perhaps the penultimate risk, Death is penultimate to... what?

See the United States “Occupational Injury and Illness Classification Manual” at https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/oiicm.pdf

I've tried navigating that document, it's not clear to me where your ordering came from. FWIW 'penultimate' means second from last, suggesting that there is an 'ultimate' risk even more feared than death. I believe that's what GP was asking about.

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Post by dang »

tiahura wrote: post #229
GekkePrutser wrote: post #117

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I can imagine how they become this way. With most offenders being from minority groups it's hard to keep an open mind if you're having to chase after them every day. Even though these problems are societal, not really caused by the minorities themselves but rather lack of opportunities etc But if you're on the business end of society's failures on a daily basis I can imagine how this changes one's opinion. I've worke…

“Even though these problems are societal, not really caused by the minorities themselves but rather lack of opportunities etc” That’s the line of thinking that keeps many of them in that situation. We need to be honest -African American culture is largely dysfunctional and self-destructive. 120 years ago my ancestors were dirt poor, they didn’t have “equitable” opportunities in education, housing, or employment, yet…

Racial slurs will get you banned here. Please don't do this, or anything like this, again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by dang »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #7

Guys, police are self-abolishing. Victory is within grasp. But seriously. Why is this surprising? This is a completely rational reaction of people who feel they're being unfairly demonized as a group despite most of them being professional and doing their jobs the best they can with the training and incentives they're given. Enjoy the crime wave.

Please don't take HN threads further into ideological flamewar hell. Not cool.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by dang »

bairrd wrote: post #81
TheFreim wrote: post #14

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Please be polite, this is not adding anything to the conversation.

Enjoy the crime wave seems similarly inflammatory and impolite, but I find HN moderation frequently falls on a certain "if you say something rude/inflammatory but phrase it a certain way it's okay" which drives me up the wall.

If by "HN moderation" you mean what the HN moderators do, that's not an accurate description either of our intentions or our practice. It's good to be careful with such perceptions as they are notoriously subject to sample bias. Lots of past explanation if anyone cares:

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

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Post by mgarfias »

sgtnasty wrote: post #218
ceejayoz wrote: post #5

> Finally, officers said they were asked to handle too much; they were constantly thrown at tangled societal problems like mental health breakdowns or drug overdoses, they said, for which they were ill-equipped — then blamed when things went wrong. Sounds like they've got some common ground with the "defund the police" folks, if they'd listen a bit.

The job is supposed to be hard, I don't understand the problem. Perhaps we need 1-4 years of crisis training instead of 6 months of how to shoot.

God I wish they spent 6months learning to shoot. A friend of mine is a corrections deputy. Her first department ran her through a single range day where she was barely able to qualify.

Then she was sent to the state cop school, where they were to get two days of instruction, then quals.

She was worried, so I took her out for about 8 hours and taught her to shoot properly.

She went, and shot a perfect score, amd was given the marksman award for the class.

She has since gone on the embarrass most of the deputies she works with on their twice a year range days.

I am, on my best day, able to shoot at a USPSA B-class level. No grand master here. And I can shoot rings around her, all day, every day.

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Post by dang »

dfxm12 wrote: post #128
bairrd wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Enjoy the crime wave seems similarly inflammatory and impolite, but I find HN moderation frequently falls on a certain "if you say something rude/inflammatory but phrase it a certain way it's okay" which drives me up the wall.

Yeah, as a meta comment, I've seen personal insults thrown around (including at me) that don't get flagged, but what does get flagged sometimes leaves me baffled.

There's inevitably a lot of randomness, given the quantity of things that get posted here. That is probably enough to explain what you're seeing. Flags are mostly by users; moderators don't see most of what gets posted here. We try to review all the flags but that doesn't help if a post doesn't get flagged in the first place.

If you see a post that ought to have been moderated but hasn't been, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it. If it's something egregious, you can help by flagging it and/or letting us know at hn@ycombinator.com.

In any case, there's no consistency of moderation across all the posts, nor can there be. But certainly there's consistency of intent: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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