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YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by izacus »

sixothree wrote: post #313
izacus wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is what I don't get about YouTubers. They created a business with basically only one source of income. More importantly, they also then decided to scam their source of income by getting money from other sources (e.g. Patreon) and are now acting surprised when their own data host isn't happy about not getting their cut of the revenue. Reminds of a scam that cinemas attempted in my state - because the distributo…

How is it a "scam" to have other sources of income for a video?

The YT deal is that they take a cut of (ad) revenue to fund storage, cpu, bandwidth costs and profit in exchange for hosting the content.

Many of these content providers disabled the feature effectively making YT operate at a loss to host their video while continuing to use the platform.

I already have shown you other examples of these types of attempts which also didn't fly. You can't sell a TV in Walmart for 0.99$ and then have a hidden checque for 900$ in the box so you avoid giving Walmart their margin for the sale.

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Post by renw0rp »

thendrill wrote: post #179
bsd44 wrote: post #118

As a content consumer I see this as a positive thing for me. A few months ago when YouTube decided to auto-add ads on all videos, my watch time on YouTube decreased by more than 50% since I consume all video content on either my phone or my tablet (where I don't have access to AdBlock), and I find the amount of ads I have to go through to watch a video so annoying that I'd rather not watch it at all. As a result I sp…

Use NewPipe on Android to avoid ads

Serious question, what's the risk of losing your Gmail account?

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Post by Vespasian »

Retric wrote: post #35
cableshaft wrote: post #4

I know there are several content creators (such as Jim Sterling) that have their videos ad-free as a perk for their supporters (since he's supported enough via Patreon). He's pretty angry about this change. I somewhat understand Google's stance on this, as it's a service that should be allowed to make money even on people who don't want to make money. They don't really have such a way to opt out of pretty much any ot…

What I find more concerning is many people will have uploaded videos with the understanding people could just watch them for free and then died. At which point YouTube is essentially monetizing dead people without paying their estates. Are people going to need to stipulate in their will to delete all uploaded content to stop crap like this?

The estate as the copyright holder (in most cases) can pull down the videos if they like.

YouTube is not obligated to host and serve content for free forever.

As many other big tech companies they have a very strong position in the market (edging into monopoly / duopoly territory), which essentially prevent competitors with different business plans to be successful.

To me this sounds like the market is broken and warrants a critical investigation.

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Post by cyberpsybin »

TT3351 wrote: post #318
bsd44 wrote: post #118

As a content consumer I see this as a positive thing for me. A few months ago when YouTube decided to auto-add ads on all videos, my watch time on YouTube decreased by more than 50% since I consume all video content on either my phone or my tablet (where I don't have access to AdBlock), and I find the amount of ads I have to go through to watch a video so annoying that I'd rather not watch it at all. As a result I sp…

My trick for this is to disable the Youtube app on my phone and only use the browser to watch videos. Combined with DNS66, the few ads that do make it through on the site can be dismissed by just refreshing the page, which is easy to do in my browser.

You can use Kiwi browser of phone. It's basically Chrome + dark mode + extensions(so ublock). Nothing makes it through.

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Post by bobajeff »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #129
Verdex wrote: post #96

I hope they let creators decide where the ads go. Because otherwise, this is going to destroy ASMR videos. I can see it now. Person with insomnia listening to someone softly picking a mic with a q-tip about to drift off when all of a sudden HI LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT CAR INSURANCE. From looking casually into the community, those channels have a lot of videos with millions and sometimes tens of millions of views. All of…

Where are they going to migrate to that is going to host a video for tens of millions of views for free with no ads?

Maybe they could use a Peertube instance or LBRY.

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Post by Shared404 »

foxhop wrote: post #280
Shared404 wrote: post #266

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Check out PeerTube. It may be exactly what you're looking for.

Naw, PeerTube is clunky and I don't think I need the network effect. I want to host videos (for download or streaming) like I host static web pages.

Hmm. AlternativeTo has a list[0]. Not a great list, but a list.

Looking at that, possibly MediaGoblin could work.

Alternately, something like Jellyfin may work, but that's a little bit of a push.

[0] https://alternativeto.net/software/youtube/?platform=self-ho...

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Post by ogre_codes »

bsd44 wrote: post #118

As a content consumer I see this as a positive thing for me. A few months ago when YouTube decided to auto-add ads on all videos, my watch time on YouTube decreased by more than 50% since I consume all video content on either my phone or my tablet (where I don't have access to AdBlock), and I find the amount of ads I have to go through to watch a video so annoying that I'd rather not watch it at all. As a result I sp…

Unfortunately, most of my YouTube viewing is not recreational/ entertainment. I use YouTube primarily for DIY videos, Home Building, and other similar educational/ Howto videos. I just don't see a lot of alternatives out there so I'm kind of stuck with YouTube.

Preroll ads are the worst because quality varies so widely I end up wading through multiple ads for crappy videos.

Is there a good resource for how-tos out there for a fee?

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Post by izacus »

labawi wrote: post #319
izacus wrote: post #264

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Yeah should be - but the costs would be in terms of 100s of EUR per month, not 1EUR. This is why none of those creators really go on their own - hosting video is EXPENSIVE. It's easier to demand YT to host the content for free.

> costs would be in terms of 100s of EUR per month Personally, I don't consider it a valid point. It only costs so much to share some data because of massive centralization by the likes of Google and ISPs, and can only be sustained because of t sustained because these "subsidies" from large players. It's not technically hard to distribute some videos efficiently, but the market is less than 1/10000. Maybe in 5 years…

shrug

These were the prices before YouTube really became big and were still the prices after they became big.

I've worked in video streamin industry in years and I haven't seen YouTube be the fault of the high costs. It mostly comes from the fact that videos are large, they need a lot of CPU power to convert and need a lot of bandwidth to transmit to clients.

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Post by ryandrake »

leipert wrote: post #80
1_player wrote: post #41

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Easy? Good luck replacing all your accounts and contacts using your @gmail.com email. You'll move to another provider but you'll need to keep the old GMail one around for a long time before you're safe deleting it.

Been using a different mail provider for 5 years. Just the other month google deleted my gmail account (had it set up to delete after a year of no-login) It is quite easy to migrate: 1. get a new mail account 2. forward everything from your gmail account 3. sort everything GMail into a separate folder in your new account 4. slowly change email addresses in accounts and let people know your new address. I think after…

I did pretty much a similar thing years ago, but went self-hosted. It took a year or so including the transition phase.

1. Set up incoming E-mail forwarding from mydomain.org to Gmail. Exim will do this, probably all popular mail packages support forwarding well.

2. Start sending E-mail (from Gmail's interface) as me@mydomain.org, and tell your friends to use that one.

2.5. (optional) Get your local mail client to work with Gmail's IMAP and SMTP.

3. Take a deep breath and change that MX record.

4. Block out one or two evenings, pour yourself some Scotch, and go through each and every online account you have, changing your E-mail address. A password manager helps with this because it's also the definitive list of every online account you have. While you're at it, you might want to use me+company@mydomain.com so you can tell which E-mails come from which company, and know who is selling your E-mail address around.

5. Wait until people switch over and the vast majority of your E-mail is going to me@mydomain.org instead of your Gmail address. For me this took a year or so.

6. In the mean time set up locally hosted E-mail at mydomain.org. In my case I use exim4+dovecot+spamassassin. Don't forget to set up SPF and DKIM correctly.

7. Pick a time in your life when you don't expect to be getting urgent or important E-mail, like you're not buying a house or applying for jobs. Take a deep breath, and apply the exim config that changes you from forwarding to self-hosting.

8. Ask all your friends to send you some test E-mails, preferably from different providers. Make sure you can at least deliver mail from gmail, yahoo, comcast, verizon, etc. Send mails to them and make sure they're being delivered.

9. Assuming no problems in 7, pat yourself on the back for being part of the solution rather than the problem.

10. Periodically keep your eye out for trouble. Audit your logs every so often to make sure you're not having trouble sending or receiving. I had to change my IPv6 at one point because comcast decided mine belonged to a spammer, but other than that it's been smooth sailing.

11. Decide whether or not to keep your Gmail account. I kept mine, but it pretty much only gets spam now. Maybe once or twice a year I get a legit one there from someone I forgot to tell I changed my address. I keep an eye on my Gmail to find out when there are hot singles in my area or that there's a new sure fire diet pill that sheds fat instantly.

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