I was hoping they would stamp the Apple Care logo on these. Kudos to Apple for shipping these out so quickly at such scale.
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#322Can someone explain to me why is Apple making this type of stuff?
Can someone explain to me why is Apple making this type of stuff? Because contrary to the HN cliché, not all companies are solely motivated by filling shareholder pockets and being evil. See also: The hundreds of other companies making, importing, and distributing medical supplies at their own expense.
People forget that even Tim Apple is just a regular person who may want to help.
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#323Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not about the money. PPE like face shields are specifically used during procedures that involve significant bodily fluid, like intubation, which is the process of pulling or pushing a tube down a patient's esophagus. Going to to the grocery store does not require a shield. Secondly disposable medical equipment, when used properly within a healthcare environment, is extremely wasteful. For most consumable items u…
> It's not about the money. PPE like face shields are specifically used during procedures that involve... There is currently a global pandemic afoot that is spread by droplets expelled from people's mouth and nose. What a tool was being used for 2 months ago isn't relevant; the situation is different now. > Everybody stocking a "handful" of PPE isn't a scalable solution to maintain a national supply. If masks or face…
> What a tool was being used for 2 months ago isn't relevant
It is very relevant. These face shields wouldn't protect anyone from airborne/aerosol pathogens or viruses. They have a very specific purpose and that isn't one of them.
If you're talking about adapting construction grade shields (like used for painting, etc) for medical use -- sure. But you aren't going to use a face shield as a replacement for a face mask, which is what it seems like you're arguing for.
If you're saying that you should wear a face shield in public to protect yourself from aerosolized virus -- that's not the point of a face shield. The particles can travel around the sides of the mask too easily. If you want to protect from small, airborne particles, you need a mask.
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#324Earlier quoted context omitted.
It feels as though arguments will be received with claims of "mental gymnastics", so I will just point out the differences in use and function between a face shield and an N95 mask. You're free to try and purchase a face shield if you'd like. Best of luck.
Your question was about the effectiveness of N95 masks. Hopefully I've resolved that for you. As for the effectiveness of face shields, I don't have data on that, I just said it was likely to be effective, since it blocks larger droplets from hitting your face or being inhaled. There's no luck involved, I purchased a face shield almost two months ago, although I usually just wear mask+goggles, gloves if necessary whe…
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And before anyone gets big ideas about the chloroform, it is not pure chloroform; it is generally contaminated by phosgene, which is truly terrible stuff.
During a wasted youth I poured over hundreds of The Hardy Boys Casefiles, where they'd receive and recover from a traumatic brain injury 3-5 nights a week (getting "knocked out"). Thanks to your comment I now know the other nights, where they were not rendered unconscious by blunt trauma, but rather through a rag of chloroform, they were probably inhaling phosgene too. Those boys were sure putting their futures at ri…
https://xkcd.com/1468/ "Worrying"
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#326EyeMask
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#327Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do you mean by: > On top of that, the design is already commercialized.
I mean that if you check Amazon, companies are making money of it. It’s great that it’s getting out just not so great that it’s selling with fat margin on top.
If they weren't making money off of it, they wouldn't sell it. Price gouging is exactly what is needed in a crisis. Once the demand signals become incorporated in the price, more and more companies will start making it.
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#328Do you need an Apple Care subscription to get one?
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#329This is impressive, compared to what traditional health companies like Pharma are doing. The latter seem mostly to update existing products like faster tests or trying to develop vaccines. Whereas it’s the tech companies which are going a bit beyond their traditional business: Apple making face masks, Google and Apple making screening websites (other examples?) All of which could be done by traditional health compani…
Really? Masks don't get us out of this crisis. The billions-fold more complex work of developing effective treatments and vaccines does. What an odd sentiment you've got here.
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#330I can hear Jony Ive describing it as "fashioned from a single continuous pane of clear polymer" in my ears right now...
Next version will remove the strap and people on HN will complain about how their current bands are useless and they don’t want to change as the older ones are warmer.