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Re: Google cuts jobs at cloud-computing group

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Post by grogenaut »

mav3rick wrote: post #185
ericd wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds reasonable. I was referring more to the gatekeeping type, like a heavy focus on things like balancing trees and recursion for roles that clearly involve neither trees nor recursion.

It's really not that at level. Once at Google you really get the benefit of doubt of clearing a high bar. It's mostly a talk around your work / perf / CLs and then team fit.

If it's anything like amazon they will just be able to look at all of your code for the last N years which is a very strong signal to go along with interview questions. For internal transfers I general focus more on design questions and check the code history for "can they code IRL". Design is harder to check for and also is more dependent on "can we work together to solve problems" which isn't always apparent from just artifacts.

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Post by PunchTornado »

ec109685 wrote: post #316
PunchTornado wrote: post #251

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why? do you think cloud marketing people are hard to find?

If it's growing like it should be, why would they be cutting her role (e.g. it wasn't performance related, so they aren't going to backfill).

an industry can be growing and still do well with less marketing/advocacy.

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Post by joshuamorton »

scarface74 wrote: post #172
joshuamorton wrote: post #170

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The beginning of the trial was 2010 or so, so if Android earned Google 23B in 5 years, I imagine it's earned multiples of that in the 10 years since.

This came out in 2016.... https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/... Google's Android operating system has generated revenue of about $31 billion and profit of $22 billion since its release, an Oracle Corp lawyer told a U.S. court hearing the software company's copyright lawsuit against Google.

So not at the beginning of the trial then.

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Post by kortilla »

chrisseaton wrote: post #195
kortilla wrote: post #156

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> Google's tech staffers are supposed to be some of the top people in the world That ended about 7 years ago when Google decided to expand as rapidly as possible. Alphabet employees over 100k people now. It’s just a younger IBM at this point. There will be thousands of people that will suck and should be laid off rather than kept.

I think you still need to be at the very top of your field to get past that famous interview. It’s completely out of reach for all but the most elite engineers even if they’re already doing brilliantly somewhere else.

That’s completely false. The skills to get through the “famous interview” aren’t related to software engineering practices at all. Let that sink in.

Their interview process is loaded with false negative and false positive rates, despite what they claim. If you don’t think they have false positives, just look at the poor quality of so many google products.

An interview process that an algorithms/data structure obsessed senior in college can easily pass is clearly not related to elite engineers. It’s sad that people have been tricked into thinking otherwise.

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Post by enos_feedler »

scarface74 wrote: post #56
enos_feedler wrote: post #51

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Pretty low considering the growing market size. We are just at the beginning of cloud movement and it’s already generating significant revenue

Revenue != profit. And isn’t that the pitch of every startup? We are worth $billions because the size of the market is $billions x 10 if we only capture $a_small_percentage.

It's hard to believe cloud won't be profitable. You are selling one of the world's greatest engines of innovation (computing) using a proven delivery model (internet services). Combine that with very low execution risk, since big tech has been self-consuming computing as a service over 20 years of growth. It would almost be irresponsible to leave this opportunity on the table. If Google lands in third place $a_small_percentage is actually quite large.

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Post by pid_0 »

noelwelsh wrote: post #265
stupidcar wrote: post #244

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The feeling into "fact" flow: Step 1) "I don't like thing" Step 2) "I really wish thing didn't exist." Step 3) "Thing is probably dying/dead." Step 4) "If event happened, it would really show thing is dying/dead." Step 5) "Event can happen." Step 6) "Event will happen." Step 7) "Event is happening!" Step 8) "Events 1, 2 and 3 can/will/are happening which forms a narrative proving thing is dying/dead." Have you consid…

This response is just rude and adds nothing to the discussion.

All comments, by definition, add something to the discussion.

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Post by hello_moto »

beamatronic wrote: post #293
rurban wrote: post #198

So the new boss is from Oracle, who hired new managers from SAP and Microsoft, they are hiring like crazy and cutting some old jobs. Looks like they are trying to get rid of internal critics, resistance. Interesting wars

I thought A’s hired A’s at Google!

Not all A's have the same execution path...

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Post by hello_moto »

geogra4 wrote: post #277
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #236

I'm going to make an outrageous prediction: due to the changing geopolitical landscape which has been going on since 9/11, loss of trust in the US as a "leader" that can keep the data safe, we will move away from the cloud and back to a model where data sovereignty trumps all else. This will be enabled by changes to the underlying infrastructure - moving away from BGP and adopting (BGP backward compatible) protocols…

Do you think SAP will come up with a cloud provider to compete with aws and the like? I don't know if there is another European software company big enough for that.

They tried before with SAP Cloud Platform (that was the last name it settled after changing from SAP HANA Cloud Platform and other myriads).

They decided to back off from being a cloud provider. They got no skin (top-level don't know how to pull it off) nor skill (EU engineers aren't the best in hi-tech) in the game.

Last I saw they only tried to build a shim-layer on top of CloudFoundry to orchestrate infrastructure running on other cloud vendors.

They got zero clients for SAP Cloud Platform since their customers prefer "best of breed" (AWS/Azure). If they say they have customers, it'll be "internal" customers: SAP other divisions who used them and they charged those divisions (that's how SAP works).

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Post by [deleted] »

ldoughty wrote: post #272
PrivateRepo wrote: post #266

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It will start making sense when Google stops shelling out a comparatively-high level of free credits for every new deal. They’re subsidizing their own users to game market share numbers, and at some point the funding to do this will have slow (unless they find out that it actually converts evals to year over year clients).

Our start up got a 6 figure AWS credit with 3 year expiration date... I'd say AWS does the same

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Post by dang »

stupidcar wrote: post #244
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #236

I'm going to make an outrageous prediction: due to the changing geopolitical landscape which has been going on since 9/11, loss of trust in the US as a "leader" that can keep the data safe, we will move away from the cloud and back to a model where data sovereignty trumps all else. This will be enabled by changes to the underlying infrastructure - moving away from BGP and adopting (BGP backward compatible) protocols…

The feeling into "fact" flow: Step 1) "I don't like thing" Step 2) "I really wish thing didn't exist." Step 3) "Thing is probably dying/dead." Step 4) "If event happened, it would really show thing is dying/dead." Step 5) "Event can happen." Step 6) "Event will happen." Step 7) "Event is happening!" Step 8) "Events 1, 2 and 3 can/will/are happening which forms a narrative proving thing is dying/dead." Have you consid…

Please don't cross into personal attack. That's against the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Your comment wouldn't be too bad without the last sentence.

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