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Open-plan offices decrease face-to-face collaboration: study

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Re: Open-plan offices decrease face-to-face collaboration: study

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I’d be really curious how much of a hit to people’s salary they would be willing to take, or the reduced capabilities of their business, to get an open office environment. I worked with an internal team that created a brand new office for a decently-sized tech company. We had this exact debate: open or closed. We explored closed, or versions of it (see Spotify’s team rooms as a great example of a compromise), but the…

It wouldn't have to be much of a salary cut. If you amortize the up-front cost for around a 110 square foot office, the total is only about $5,000 a year (more than an open office). 45 additional square feet at (a vastly overestimated) $100 per year per square foot for rent. $5,000 construction costs amortized over 10 years.

The way we thought about it was primarily butts in seats. For simplicity, if open office = about 1000, a reasonable closed office environment for us would have housed about half of that. If we needed 1000 to deliver product X, we’d either deliver product X over double the time or for double the (real estate) cost plus the non-local collaboration cost (not insurmountable, but it’s part of the tradeoff).

We’d need to see a closed office productivity increase of double or more to justify it, and we just couldn’t, even talking to other companies that had the kind of collaborative environment we thought of as ideal if we had infinite space. They didn’t see increases at that level.

To be clear, I’m seriously simplifying here. There are so many other considerations like workplace happiness, some amount of creative “collision” differences, churn and burnout, different individual needs for privacy, whether certain collaboration styles enabled by space fit the company culture, the type of work that’s happening, how likely that team structures will be the same in 1 year, 5 years, 10 years. Ultimately, we bet on space flexibility and giving teams more control over their space than giving everyone an office or team room. It’s hard to say what the alternate history would have been, but we do pretty regular surveys about workplace happiness and have seen significant positive increases compared to our old office (also open but much more rigid, far fewer private spaces) and general happiness with people’s access to private space and ability to get work done.

Edit: I also don’t want to overgeneralize. This made sense for us, but I think there are lots of situations where it does not make sense to have an open office, especially if you have a smaller company stocked primarily with very, very high performers doing individually-driven but very deep creative work (in the sense of integrating a lot of information). I would hope all companies would be more thoughtful about it, but I wanted to provide a little look at how a company that values privacy and enabling deep work might still arrive at an open office.

Re: Open-plan offices decrease face-to-face collaboration: study

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Can't find it anymore, but I could swear there was a study that recently hit the HN front page that found that everyone's productivity objectively takes a hit in a distracting environment. But, subjectively, extraverts perceive themselves as being more productive, while introverts don't.

This. Extroverts are likelier to choose the survey response that reinforces their identity. If you’re a social person, then “I love open office plans, they totally make me more productive” is the pro-social answer.

I would rephrase 'reinforces their identity' to 'helps maintain their sanity and happiness'.

I am not even saying they don't take a hit to their productivity. Just that that's not the important metric to those folks, they just would dread a job where they're isolated.

Re: Open-plan offices decrease face-to-face collaboration: study

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I work in an open office environment. I never thought I’d say this, but it works excellently; there’s always energy in the air, collaboration is easy, and it’s a great space to hold company all-hands meetings. I’d say there are 4 keys to making this work: 1) The founders have a great sense of aesthetic and our office is a beautiful space as a result (also stays very clean), meaning it stays less stressful and promote…

>There is Sonos in both open-office areas and people are pretty good about not hogging it or playing obnoxious/too-loud music If my only choices were working in this office and homelessness, I would honest to go choose homelessness.

Be careful with this. I've actually done this and it's not an easy path.

Re: Open-plan offices decrease face-to-face collaboration: study

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No one is 100% polarized introvert or extrovert though. I’m willing to be t silent environments are more conducive to productivity. Whomever designs those open spaces watches way too much Fixer Upper. That or not enough — the open spaces are communal but there are ALSO spaces for people to retreat into their space.

>I’m willing to be t silent environments are more conducive to productivity. It's always worked for libraries, I think. Why not offices?

Aren’t libraries usually open spaces? But they enforce strict silence.

So you can go tap on anyone’s shoulder but if you want to have a conversation you need to head to a non working area.

That sounds like the best idea to me. Open office plan, but no loud conversations are allowed. You need to maintain strict library like silences. However, you also provide enough breakout rooms or non quiet areas where people can head over to to have a discussion.

Re: Open-plan offices decrease face-to-face collaboration: study

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I understand you're joking about Agile, but the previous holy path was waterfall, which was a hideously expensive way to get to failure.

Most of what we call agile today is processes for the sake of processes and waterfalls in disguise.

Yes! I remember when I was in University (1990s) how they taught us about how waterfall was bad and iterative development processes were just starting (XP was still not invented).

Iterative development processes where beautiful, and had great ideas. The problem with today's "Agile" methods as implemented in the industry is that they usually only do the first iteration and stop there, making it practically mainly waterfall.

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Wouldn't be surprised if there are 1000+ comments under this one. I don't think any sane programmer would be entirely on board with the entire open office fiasco if completely honest of course.

My favorite bit on this topic starts here https://youtu.be/7fdQJ5ry_NI?t=2393 .

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Meta response. There has to be a better way to aggregate than having this same article (effectively) pop up every other week. And then like 30% of all hiring/firing/workplace discussions devolve into the open floor plan discussion. The responses are always the same and the conversation hasn't moved an inch in five years. No, its not that hard to just hide the submission and close the comment chains which veer. But my…

> There has to be a better way to aggregate than having this same article (effectively) pop up every other week. I disagree. I think this is actually the best way HN can bring about change, even though the arguments haven't changed in years. IMO the reason these posts get upvoted is out of protest and to raise awareness. HN is probably the most influential source in tech. If every time you look at HN there's threads…

Well, HN votes are (at least designed) not for liking/protesting, but to give feedback that something was interesting and curious.

Re: Open-plan offices decrease face-to-face collaboration: study

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For me the problem is not really distractions (I don't care if people interrupt me from time to time, in fact I like it). My problem is the mental strain that stems from lack of privacy, the knowledge that people can see me and my monitor all the time, it's like there's a background process in my mind that checks whether what I want to do (move a lot in my chair, comment on HN, eat something) is ok with people around…

I get easily startled when I am very focused and people walk around in my peripheral vision or behind me. It really stresses me out. I work remote now so life is good but when I was at the office I was completely exhausted every evening because of this stress

I'm the same way. I'm downright jumpy. The result seems to be people think I'm up to something lol

Re: Open-plan offices decrease face-to-face collaboration: study

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I wonder if ease of setup has something to do with the popularity of open offices, especially for startups?

1. After choosing an office setup, a company is not likely to change it unless it needs to

2. You can set up an open office in an afternoon. Buy some desks and chairs from Ikea and let people arrange them

3. On the other hand, I wouldn't know where to start in order to procure cubicles/private offices.

4. Also, setting up cubicles and private offices involves some construction work. So it takes longer

Also: open offices may be used to try to create a culture of openness and egalitarianism (if even the managers are made to use desks).

For large companies, the reasons above don't make sense, but they do for startups, in my view.

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