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Re: Bring Back the SE

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Post by yoz-y »

SomeOldThrow wrote: post #308
yoz-y wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thing is, it is not nonsense. People here always cry for 'voting with your wallet'. Well, people did and here we are. Apple was massively criticised for _years_ that they did not put out a large phone, because that's where all of the android market went. Then, when they finally made the iPhone 6 their sales were so large that the next year's phone was deemed a flop even though it did extremely well. (If one would rem…

> offering people what they actually want was not a mistake. You can’t read customer preference from the market when they stopped offering choice in this regard. I bought a large phone because that’s the choice they offered and fucking hate it.

I think they do have pretty good numbers because the iPhone 5S was still sold even after the 6 was out. So, when the 6S came out they could compare how well the 1 year old 6 fared against a then one year old 5S.

Also they did make the SE. I am pretty sure Apple knows what is most money making strategy.

This being said, they do offer (or will soon) a Mac Pro which clearly is not there to make big bucks. They could (and I would love them to) offer a smaller phone with latest internal specs. They do have bandwidth for that.

Re: Bring Back the SE

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Post by nightfly »

ebiester wrote: post #68
dijit wrote: post #40

Every year I wait on bated breath at the release of a similarly compact phone to the SE. I even recently bought a new one right before they removed them from the store, so I have 2 year apple care+ for it to tide me over. Ordinarily I would vote with my wallet, but there are no compact Android phones either. Ironically I still own a Oneplus One which is quite old by todays standards; and I distinctly remember it bein…

https://www.uxmatters.com/mt/archives/2013/02/how-do-users-r... People with smaller hands, regardless of gender, often use two hands. Once you're used to using two hands, there's no reason to have a smaller screen.

Better rigidity is a good reason to have a smaller screen.

Re: Bring Back the SE

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Post by skocznymroczny »

jeffkeen wrote: post #167

Seriously. This giant phone trend is nonsense. Nonsense! I'm a 6'5" man with large hands who still swears by an SE, despite being mocked by friends and strangers whenever I pull out my "tiny phone". I had a 6S and promptly ditched it for an SE after feeling like the thing was designed to slip out of my enormous hands. That whole "reachability" feature they added when they started with this phablet obsession was basic…

I have a Xiaomi 6" flagship and it's too big for me. I mean, I can use it, but it's not too comfortable. I wish there was a bigger market for the 5" phones, but seems the trends are for bigger and bigger.

Re: Bring Back the SE

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Post by whyoh »

yoz-y wrote: post #304
jeffkeen wrote: post #167

Seriously. This giant phone trend is nonsense. Nonsense! I'm a 6'5" man with large hands who still swears by an SE, despite being mocked by friends and strangers whenever I pull out my "tiny phone". I had a 6S and promptly ditched it for an SE after feeling like the thing was designed to slip out of my enormous hands. That whole "reachability" feature they added when they started with this phablet obsession was basic…

Thing is, it is not nonsense. People here always cry for 'voting with your wallet'. Well, people did and here we are. Apple was massively criticised for _years_ that they did not put out a large phone, because that's where all of the android market went. Then, when they finally made the iPhone 6 their sales were so large that the next year's phone was deemed a flop even though it did extremely well. (If one would rem…

>People here always cry for 'voting with your wallet'. Well, people did and here we are.

Did the SE sell poorly?

Re: Bring Back the SE

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Post by mandus »

I was holding my old iPhone3 in my hands a few days ago (one of my kids have collected a few phones in the house over the years). It felt so good, light and small. I really long for a phone in that form-factor again, the big phones of today is just silly.

Re: Bring Back the SE

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Post by antihero »

jeffkeen wrote: post #167

Seriously. This giant phone trend is nonsense. Nonsense! I'm a 6'5" man with large hands who still swears by an SE, despite being mocked by friends and strangers whenever I pull out my "tiny phone". I had a 6S and promptly ditched it for an SE after feeling like the thing was designed to slip out of my enormous hands. That whole "reachability" feature they added when they started with this phablet obsession was basic…

Nah I found the SE frustratingly small.

Re: Bring Back the SE

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Post by littlecranky67 »

ebiester wrote: post #68
dijit wrote: post #40

Every year I wait on bated breath at the release of a similarly compact phone to the SE. I even recently bought a new one right before they removed them from the store, so I have 2 year apple care+ for it to tide me over. Ordinarily I would vote with my wallet, but there are no compact Android phones either. Ironically I still own a Oneplus One which is quite old by todays standards; and I distinctly remember it bein…

https://www.uxmatters.com/mt/archives/2013/02/how-do-users-r... People with smaller hands, regardless of gender, often use two hands. Once you're used to using two hands, there's no reason to have a smaller screen.

That "study" in that article is hilarious. The author observed people in Airports, Subways, Cafes etc. and whenever someone was using a Smartphone, he took notes (so it is more of an observation that a study). This is biased in so many ways.He went to places where people usually have to kill time, and do so with their smartphone. He didn't observe all those people that had a smartphone in their pocket passing by, going for their day. I don't use my smartphone to kill time, and I restrict myself from using it when not necessary. Yes, it is a tool, I need it to check the bus schedule, buy a ticket etc. And thats it, and thats why I would be totally fine with a 5" display.

Re: Bring Back the SE

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Post by shifto »

shifto wrote: post #298

I have a SE for work but a Xiaomi Mi 9 for personal use. I just can't get used to iOS and the small SE. Cant type a decent message on it and the UI, although easy, just makes me feel I'm missing out on efficiency. Not to mention I don't really care for apple products besides my old iPod (and of course the old stuff like the Apple][).

It's funny how saying you don't like apple gets you downvotes on HN. Imo it's weird technical minded people like on here even think good of apple but that's probably just me.

Re: Bring Back the SE

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Post by bythckr »

jeffkeen wrote: post #167

Seriously. This giant phone trend is nonsense. Nonsense! I'm a 6'5" man with large hands who still swears by an SE, despite being mocked by friends and strangers whenever I pull out my "tiny phone". I had a 6S and promptly ditched it for an SE after feeling like the thing was designed to slip out of my enormous hands. That whole "reachability" feature they added when they started with this phablet obsession was basic…

You are not alone. There are many that agree with you and even apple did, before it hindered with what the "shareholders & wolfs of wall street" needed.

https://youtu.be/O99m7lebirE

Re: Bring Back the SE

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Post by pdonis »

saurik wrote: post #285
pdonis wrote: post #252

So let me get this straight: the author admits Apple doesn't need to do this for business reasons, but is asking them to be nice and do it for other reasons? And the option of, you know, using one's market power to give Apple an incentive to do it for business reasons isn't on the table? Does the term "self-inflicted wound" ring a bell?

The argument is that due to all of the other lock-in effects, users don't really have the choice of switching to another smaller device (which, fwiw, doesn't even really exist anymore either: the world seems to have decided high quality small phones are a bad idea).

> due to all of the other lock-in effects

Which have been common knowledge about Apple for longer than plenty of Apple users have been alive. And if users choose to keep on being users when they know full well what Apple is up to, again, self-inflicted wound.

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