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I've gone vegetarian, except for a single grass fed animal I bought from a local farmer. (I live in a city, it was easier than I thought it would be to connect with a farmer out in the rural part of my state.) The transition was way, way easier than I thought it was going to be. I didn't guilt myself when I made mistakes, just stopped eating meat unless I was sure the provenance of it was sustainable and free from cr…
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What we do know for sure is that the animal would not have lived the same life if it weren't captive. >A free range animal that's being humanely put down by a farmer has a much more pleasant life. I don't think we can objectively say this. We have no idea what these animals want. Our humanity for these animals lives is nothing short of projection, purely because we have no idea what they want.
We can 100% objectively say this. Animals like chickens lack self awareness and the ability for future planning. They operate on instinct. We can prove this. Thus, they also don't know what they want --outside of the immediate satisfaction of an instinctual urge. They do feel pain and hunger however. In the wild, these animals suffer more pain and hunger. In free range "captivity" they suffer less. It's as simple as…
How? Just because they demonstrate instinctual behaviour in some circumstances doesn't mean they lack self awareness or the ability for future planning. Humans also demonstrate instinctual behaviour.
Beyond meat works for financial reasons. Sunlight, pea plant, factory, paddy costs less at scale than sunlight, corn plant, cow, slaughter house, factory, paddy. It does not work particularly well for dietary reasons. The calorie reduction will reduce inflammation if it is not offset by additional excess calories but the omega 3 fatty acid profile will not compete financially with fatty acid profile of algae or grass…
Your tone is unnecessarily snarky but I don't think you're wrong that these new meat substitutes are probably not as healthy as a more thoughtful plant based diet. I think it's great that they're available but I don't plan to eat them regularly. As for animal protein being necessary for human health, that's not even true in the ideal natural case, never mind the reality of the horror show that today's factory farmed…
I disagree. He or she is one of the few intelligent commenters on this thread that is not mindlessly grasping on to this alarming vegan/vegetarian trend. And lo and behold, they are getting downvoted to oblivion.
But the fundamentals look pretty good. Its a bioreactor, it scales, it can use varying feedstock, and its good nutritive value.
TVP which proceeded it, in my highly subjective opinion was crap in comparison. It reminded me of badly cooked stewing meat, when the connective tissue is left behind and the good bits are now in the stock: you don't want to swallow this.. cellophane meat "thing"..
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Your tone is unnecessarily snarky but I don't think you're wrong that these new meat substitutes are probably not as healthy as a more thoughtful plant based diet. I think it's great that they're available but I don't plan to eat them regularly. As for animal protein being necessary for human health, that's not even true in the ideal natural case, never mind the reality of the horror show that today's factory farmed…
> Your tone is unnecessarily snarky I disagree. He or she is one of the few intelligent commenters on this thread that is not mindlessly grasping on to this alarming vegan/vegetarian trend. And lo and behold, they are getting downvoted to oblivion.
Beyond meat works for financial reasons. Sunlight, pea plant, factory, paddy costs less at scale than sunlight, corn plant, cow, slaughter house, factory, paddy. It does not work particularly well for dietary reasons. The calorie reduction will reduce inflammation if it is not offset by additional excess calories but the omega 3 fatty acid profile will not compete financially with fatty acid profile of algae or grass…
Also, low inflammation carbohydrate? Can you show me plant foods that cause inflammation?
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So you think it will be an indefinite bull market or that the recession won't happen next year?
There obviously won't be an indefinite bull market, but why are you so confident it will happen next year?
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There obviously won't be an indefinite bull market, but why are you so confident it will happen next year?
I am not, nobody is ... But a lot of people more knowledgeable than me in this area say it's highly probable we'll have one next year or early 2021. The 'when' don't matter much in this context, alot of people are expecting one and it's coming which makes it an ideal time to IPO
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> Your tone is unnecessarily snarky I disagree. He or she is one of the few intelligent commenters on this thread that is not mindlessly grasping on to this alarming vegan/vegetarian trend. And lo and behold, they are getting downvoted to oblivion.
HN is a fairly intelligent and educated crowd by internet standards. Perhaps it should give you pause that so many such people not only consider veganism not alarming but actually positive. And dismissing it as mindless doesn't really signal debating in good faith on your part or his.
Yet intelligent and educated people do hold beliefs not based on facts, and are unwilling to be questioned.
> Perhaps it should give you pause that so many such people not only consider veganism not alarming but actually positive.
It gives me no pause whatsoever as I'm not someone that so easily follows the crowd. I simply take it to be the case that veganism is the flat-earth-theory of 2019.
> And dismissing it as mindless doesn't really signal debating in good faith on your part or his.
Good faith on my, and others, part and already have come by and been downvoted into oblivion. Have you been watching this thread?
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I still periodically eat meat, as I mentioned I did work with a local farmer to buy a whole beef. But it's something special and deliberate -- should we make one of our roasts? We don't have very many, so each one is precious. We use all the bones we could get to make stock, etc. Try to really appreciate the one animal we've had harvested for our family, but still eat vegetarian or vegan on the vast majority of days…
I would love it so much if there were a majority of meat-eaters like you. I personally am not against meat-eating: only unnecessary suffering as you have explained well in your parent post. I have great respect for those like you, who truly take care to both limit their intake, and source their meat from genuine cruelty-free farms.