Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland • Hacker News Board

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by tinus_hn » Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 9:49 AM UTC

Reason077 wrote: post #317

sailfast wrote: post #61

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For a Model 3 even with readily available charging that still means ~1 hour waiting on a supercharger per charge, and you've gotta do that 2-3x to get from, say, Amsterdam to Kitzbuhel for a skiing road trip. Figure 15 Euro minimum to use the charger during that time? (I'm using range numbers and charging costs available on the web to run this calculation) I know it's _possible_ to get somewhere without range anxiety…

"added time plus 30-45 Euro for the privilege to do that is a serious downside" So would you rather pay €30-45 for charging, or ~€150 for petrol/diesel? And of course it's only added time if you weren't planning to make stops anyway. Most drivers take breaks, and arguably it's unsafe to not do so over such long journeys.

Such a serious downside anyway, for these once a year long distance trips.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by erikpukinskis » Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 5:17 PM UTC

burfog wrote: post #307

1123581321 wrote: post #299

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You responded to a very educational comment with this. You should apply your comments to the other user’s decision-making process. Either one or both of the cars in your example will be giving hints that the gap will close, let alone the trucks. If the motorcyclist is behind you, he will see that something’s wrong. If he’s starting to pass, he will brake. If he’s in the middle of the pass, he will clear before the ga…

I wouldn't call it educational. It was motivated denial. It was also unfairly presuming that motorcyclists are more alert/careful/skilled than other drivers. This is clearly not the case. Just a couple months ago, I suddenly had a 4-inch gap on either side. (confirmed by my son in the other front seat) Perhaps the road was badly designed or built, but that happens. It's 20 feet from one end of my vehicle to the other…

What a disappointing thread. You two should try harder to understand what the other is saying, rather than just digging your heels in and pretending your words are the only ones in the conversation that matter.

The opportunity for a great discussion was there, because both of you have relevant experience and have thought carefully about the situation. Oh well. Instead you just spent paragraph after paragraph trying to set the boundaries of the discussion in a way that excludes the other.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by erikpukinskis » Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 5:21 PM UTC

gpjanik wrote: post #56

I hate how Tesla advertises Model 3 as a 35k$ car. In Germany, the cheapest, bare bone version of it is around 60 000 (53k euro). At this price point, it doesn't make much sense, it's just better to get a car like Merc E Class.

Tesla doesn’t advertise. What are you referring to?

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by readhn » Sat, Apr 13, 2019, 1:44 AM UTC

d1zzy wrote: post #289

readhn wrote: post #30

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A colleague of mine bought 2x 2018 Chevy Volts recently - after all rebates came out to $18000 cash each for a brand new Volt. Thats a no brainer to me - at 2000$ gas / year - the car pays for itself in 10 years. Unfortunately for most people out there the economics does not work the same way - they cant get to this pricing. But if they could USA would have a much larger share of electric cars.

I'm curious, how do you get a $33k MSRP Volt down to $18k? Was it second hand? (if it was then you don't get any federal/state credits, those are claimed by the original owner)

yes brand new cars - combination of federal and state rebates on electric cars. if this was available to everyone - we'd have a much larger share of electric cars in USA TODAY. pretty much buy one get one free in this case - two great electric cars for the price of one. INSANE.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by readhn » Sat, Apr 13, 2019, 1:46 AM UTC

matt4077 wrote: post #97

bluetidepro wrote: post #23

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Does that comparison work in that context, though? I've seen a lot of traditionally "cheap US fast-food" be expensive overseas in many countries. I imagine because there is almost a tourist aspect to it, unlike when it's here in the US. Is there a Swiss version of what they consider cheap fast-food, and is that place still $20 for a basic meal?

McDonald's is used as a pretty good proxy for local prices and buying power around the globe. There's even the Big Mac Index ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mac_Index ).

exactly. McD is a good proxy for overall cost of living.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by mcny » Sat, Apr 13, 2019, 11:00 AM UTC

erikpukinskis wrote: post #322

burfog wrote: post #307

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I wouldn't call it educational. It was motivated denial. It was also unfairly presuming that motorcyclists are more alert/careful/skilled than other drivers. This is clearly not the case. Just a couple months ago, I suddenly had a 4-inch gap on either side. (confirmed by my son in the other front seat) Perhaps the road was badly designed or built, but that happens. It's 20 feet from one end of my vehicle to the other…

What a disappointing thread. You two should try harder to understand what the other is saying, rather than just digging your heels in and pretending your words are the only ones in the conversation that matter. The opportunity for a great discussion was there, because both of you have relevant experience and have thought carefully about the situation. Oh well. Instead you just spent paragraph after paragraph trying t…

I think the difference is cultural. I cannot accept lane splitting at high speeds (35mph+) as long as humans still have license to drive. Once we rescind all humans the license to drive, I'm OK with lane splitting.

Think of it this easy. In the four car scenario: how would a bike pass cars that are at the speed limit? By going over the speed limit. Lane splitting by humans (not talking about filtering) ought to be against the law.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by rivercam » Sat, Apr 13, 2019, 12:59 PM UTC

vsl wrote: post #297

sib wrote: post #275

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Unfortunately, it's not true. On a standard (US) home outlet (120volts), you charge a Model 3 at about 5 miles of range per hour. So, if I get home from dinner after work at 8:00pm, and have to leave for the office at 7:00am the next morning, my car only adds about 55 miles worth of charge. As an example, I went for a longer drive on Saturday, and it took 37 hours to charge at home (right through Monday morning.) (I…

It’s something like 7-8 miles on European grid (for Model S), I.e. still not enough. What is fine is if you stay in a hotel for one day or more.

My Model 3 adds 17km/h at 220V (EU). => 200 km range if you arrive at 6pm and leave at 8am. THis is not a full charge, but it is more than enough for my daily routine.

But I understand, there might be some use cases where this is not enough.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by natch » Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 1:59 AM UTC

patejam wrote: post #197

natch wrote: post #107

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If cognitive load is what you care about, you should try autopilot’s cruise control with distance keeping. Stress erased from driving and cognitive load lifted almost completely. The win from this overcomes any cognitive load from thinking about charging by a factor of 100 or more in my experience. Most people are blown away by this when they get it. Of course it’s not unique to Tesla but it’s a big benefit.

You mean the cruise control that's already killed people? The cognitive load of not trusting cars around you is now increased by having to worry about not trusting your own car . That's crazy to me. I'm pretty convinced most stress caused by driving is just people driving way too aggressively.

Assuming you’re talking about Florida car-under-semi and California car-into-divider (the only Tesla fatalities that come to mind) I think you have an incorrect understanding of those incidents. Those were not cruise control and both were driver error.