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Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by viraptor »

freeflight wrote: post #161
viraptor wrote: post #58

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YouTube already includes comments and a chat on live streams, so close to a messaging app ;-) Seriously though, YouTube is not a music service, or at least it looks like they don't want it to be, since the interface isn't really great for that case. It also kills phone battery if you use it that way, so YouTube music is an experience upgrade.

> YouTube is not a music service I have to disagree there, it's become my new de-facto music service on my desktop/tablet, at least since I failed to properly move my iTunes database and lost/unorganized large parts of my music collection. The autoplay and mix playlist features are great for discovering new artists, even tho the algorithm can get a bit repetitive and after a while starts populating many lists with th…

I agree that's how it's used. And also think that this is likely not how Google wants it to be used. There's a music player hiding somewhere in YT, but without a nice interface and wasting amazing amount of global bandwidth for the video stream many people don't care about. (but turn up the quality to get a better audio stream) It's not a music service - it's a music video service with some music piggybacking on top in a silly way.

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Post by dvcrn »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #216
dvcrn wrote: post #138

I wonder what happens to self-uploaded music. I read that it's being migrated, but will we still be able to upload, or will this disappear? The only reason why I'm not with Spotify, but with Google Music (or now Apple music as test) is because I have a lot of songs that are just not covered in their catalogues that I uploaded myself.

The post explicitly says: > And if you use Google Play Music, nothing will change -- you’ll still be able to access all of your purchased music, uploads and playlists in Google Play Music just like always.

Yes, uploaded music will be available but this doesn't cover if we will still be able to upload new music going forward.

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Post by drbacon »

throwaway08429 wrote: post #315
mapgrep wrote: post #296

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I find this the height of arrogance that Google charges for this and it enrages me on a level I freely admit is irrational and pointless. But just the gall: 1. Get FREE creative work from musicians, film types, tv types, and tons of bright friendly ordinary people 2. Monetize the hell out of it (fine) 3. Allow a sewer community of racists bullies and other terrible people to develop in comments section (negligent but…

Disabling background play in the YouTube app is driven from the licensing deals they have with record labels. If they don't (make a reasonable attempt to) show the ads they don't have permission to show the video/play the music. I suspect they could theoretically allow background play for other content but that would be confusing to users.

If there were a HackerNews Gold, I would gift this comment one. Thank you.

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Post by chiefalchemist »

matwood wrote: post #182
chiefalchemist wrote: post #152

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There's another way to look at this. That is, The Google is not a product (or brand) company. It's an analytics company. Despite all the hype about it's greatness and genius it is still (for all intents and purposes) a one trick pony; some would say a monopoly as well. If this is your lens then their drunk sailor march of products is not much of a surprise. In fact, those who see it as a monopoly might even suggest i…

> In fact, those who see it as a monopoly might even suggest its "failures" are intentional, or at least ultimately a (regulatory) positive for The Google. Possibly. I see these products more of putting a bunch of smart programmers in a room with no management. Everyone wants to throw out the old and build something new. I've seen it myself at many companies, just at a much smaller scale. Google can get away with thi…

Yup. Ultimately, these products aren't about products and new revenue but keeping their best engineers happy (and out of the hands of anyone else).

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Post by chiefalchemist »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #174
chiefalchemist wrote: post #152

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There's another way to look at this. That is, The Google is not a product (or brand) company. It's an analytics company. Despite all the hype about it's greatness and genius it is still (for all intents and purposes) a one trick pony; some would say a monopoly as well. If this is your lens then their drunk sailor march of products is not much of a surprise. In fact, those who see it as a monopoly might even suggest i…

> Side note: In the hands of just about anyone else, Wave would have - and probably still could - bury Slack. Wave was the future. A future that would have been mucked by ads. That was its downfall. I mean they did open source it and hand it off to Apache: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/wave.html Me and another online friend agreed that Wave was just too hip and cool and ahead of itself that regular users would…

Yeah, I know then open sourced it. But that's not quite the same.

"Too hip"? Early on MySpace was too hip. Twitter, FB, etc. all too hip. That said, eventually such things mainstream. Given how well Wave reflected actual conversation I think it could have caught on. Again, it was better than Slack, and look where Slack is.

No disrespect of Slack. But Wave was actually something special.

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Post by chiefalchemist »

jacksmith21006 wrote: post #294
chiefalchemist wrote: post #152

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There's another way to look at this. That is, The Google is not a product (or brand) company. It's an analytics company. Despite all the hype about it's greatness and genius it is still (for all intents and purposes) a one trick pony; some would say a monopoly as well. If this is your lens then their drunk sailor march of products is not much of a surprise. In fact, those who see it as a monopoly might even suggest i…

Which trick? Email? YouTube? Maps? Android? Chrome? Photos? Not sure I am following? Looking at top 10 apps for all smartphones they own five of the top ten. Then at websites it is a similar story. Can you explain?

Analytics and from that Ads. That's the trick.

Thiel takes them to task in Zero to One. Worth reading just for that.

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Post by Benjamin_Dobell »

keyrat wrote: post #277
Benjamin_Dobell wrote: post #47

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Not just YouTube, Google Play Music's recommendations are truly terrible. I'm regularly being recommended whatever is popular, rather than anything I'll actually listen to. The only time I've ever witnessed Google Play get a recommendation right is when a band I've already added to my library releases a new album. It irks me that after being a subscriber for many years, Google Play still doesn't have anything like Sp…

Can I ask what music? It's been pretty good for me with new releases. I mean, it's not perfect but I listen to mostly indie rock and it's turned me on to a lot of stuff I enjoy, and it never suggests top 40. I also never use the thumbs up/down.

Perhaps one of the problems is that the music I listen isn't well defined in terms of genre - songs on the same album can vary significantly. However, I guess mostly post hardcore and progressive rock - there are bands/artists in these genres I like, but others I have absolutely no interest in. However, I also have lots of "rock", punk rock and some pop rock stuff in my library. I mostly get a lot of metal and hardcore recommendations which I'm simply not interested in. It's also not unusual for me to see rap and R&B recommendations, which I'm unlikely to be interested in (although some songs I like may be defined as such).

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Post by jacksmith21006 »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #326
jacksmith21006 wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which trick? Email? YouTube? Maps? Android? Chrome? Photos? Not sure I am following? Looking at top 10 apps for all smartphones they own five of the top ten. Then at websites it is a similar story. Can you explain?

Analytics and from that Ads. That's the trick. Thiel takes them to task in Zero to One. Worth reading just for that.

Read it. The book is about creating monopolies not the opposite.

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Post by macspoofing »

kevincox wrote: post #314
macspoofing wrote: post #280

The way Google brands products reminds me of Microsoft when they tried to attach an unrelated product to a moderately popular consumer brand (Looking at you Groove Music, I mean Xbox Music, I mean Zune Music) There is nothing wrong with Google Play Music apart from the 'Play' misnomer. Google Music should be a standalone product that competes with Spotify. It's a well defined and well understood category. YouTube is…

To be fair YouTube has been primarily a music streaming service for years. All of the top viewed videos are music, this mostly adds an alternate UI.

For some. Not others.

My point is not that YouTube shouldn't add better Music support. My point is that it won't/can't replace something like Spotify.

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Post by gdilla »

rapind wrote: post #230
gdilla wrote: post #194

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Google could literally buy the music industry with cash sitting around.

Isn't Apple part of that music industry? Considering they have a significantly higher market cap...

no? they're just a retailer of music. I'm talking about the music industry - the people who make and distribute and market music.
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