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Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by newscracker »

scriptsmith wrote: post #209
newscracker wrote: post #170

If you use Firefox Containers, including the Facebook Container, please also use Cookie AutoDelete [1] to get rid of cookies from closed tabs across containers. Otherwise, in my observation, sites will still be able to track you if you reuse a container (even after closing all tabs of that container) for a specific site. [1]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/cookie-autode...

This is the purpose of containers. They allow you for the same set of websites to interact with 'you' in different contexts

I know the purpose of containers. But it's still not as easy to use as I would like it to be (I understand that doing usability design for this is complex), and I haven't created a specific workflow for it yet.

When I'm on some site and want to quickly search the web using Google (when DDG isn't enough) on the same tab and then return back to the site, or if I use a container temporarily to check a Gmail account, I don't want to mix those up by mistake later (I never search on Google while logged in). This problem may not exist if I spent time to pre-decide the use/assignment of websites/accounts for each container.

Since I also use sites like HN to jump to other sites (several of which may be trying to track), auto-deleting cookies gives me peace of mind once I close a tab (I set the timeout value in the extension configuration quite low). I was using Self-destruct Cookies [1] before (when legacy addons were still supported on Firefox).

For additional protection, I do some more extensions.

[1]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/self-destruct...

Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by calvinbhai »

Have been using Ghostery on Safari for quite some time, and I dont see how this Facebook Container can be anywhere close to what Ghostery provides. The number of trackers on any website, is just mind blowing.

I believe Ghostery works with all browsers and I strongly suggest everyone use it, in addition to what ever ad blocker, container, VPN service you intend to use, even if you are using Facebook Container for Firefox.

Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by syoc »

calvinbhai wrote: post #322

Have been using Ghostery on Safari for quite some time, and I dont see how this Facebook Container can be anywhere close to what Ghostery provides. The number of trackers on any website, is just mind blowing. I believe Ghostery works with all browsers and I strongly suggest everyone use it, in addition to what ever ad blocker, container, VPN service you intend to use, even if you are using Facebook Container for Fire…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghostery#Criticism I would recommend being highly critical with regards to what ad blocking add-ons to install. I do personally recommend uBlock origin as something non disrupting for your average user. Neat URL and Skip Redirect are also nice for skipping tracking redirect urls like out.reddit.com. Decentraleyes is also an interesting project that caches commonly used CDN resources locally. Finally, umatrix and no-script with scripts enabled is in my opinion a good compromise between little breakage while still leaving power users with a lot of control.

Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by rqs »

ldjb wrote: post #262
mih wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ever encountered Google ReCaptcha when you've turned off third party cookies or while in incognito/private mode? It's a nightmare, even if you're logged into a Google account. You can be shown upto 7-8 challenges, painfully slow loading images and Google's insistence that they encountered malicious traffic from your IP when attempting to use the audio version. What's even worse is they track your mouse movements and…

The optimist in me thinks that if browsers started to disallow third party cookies, ReCaptcha might have to adapt to the change and make it easier to solve if third party cookies are blocked. After all, if they didn't, they'd risk website owners moving away from ReCaptcha because visitors could no longer interact with the site. The pessimist in me thinks that if a browser were to disallow third party cookies, users m…

> The optimist in me thinks that if browsers started to disallow third party cookies, ReCaptcha might have to adapt to the change and make it easier to solve if third party cookies are blocked.

That needs to bring everybody to the same table, Firefox will not do that alone and Google Chrome is not there for nothing.

Basically, Google must accept the proposal of disabling third-party cookies by default which will effect their income negatively, so they may just refuse to implement that feature for Chrome and even may prevent that feature from become a standard.

Sad.

Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by eugeniub »

calvinbhai wrote: post #322

Have been using Ghostery on Safari for quite some time, and I dont see how this Facebook Container can be anywhere close to what Ghostery provides. The number of trackers on any website, is just mind blowing. I believe Ghostery works with all browsers and I strongly suggest everyone use it, in addition to what ever ad blocker, container, VPN service you intend to use, even if you are using Facebook Container for Fire…

Ghostery has a shady history of selling data it collects on you to advertising companies. The data collection feature was previously called Ghostrank, and now it's called Human Web. I'm not sure what Ghostery does with the data since it got acquired by Cliqz in 2017, but I'd be careful.

Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by newscracker »

kaskavalci wrote: post #219
newscracker wrote: post #170

If you use Firefox Containers, including the Facebook Container, please also use Cookie AutoDelete [1] to get rid of cookies from closed tabs across containers. Otherwise, in my observation, sites will still be able to track you if you reuse a container (even after closing all tabs of that container) for a specific site. [1]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/cookie-autode...

For some reason Firefox Containers with Cookie AutoDelete messes up with Twitter and I cannot login to Twitter. After entering user/pass I expect 2FA screen but I'm redirected to ` https://twitter.com/login/error?username_or_email=...` url where I have to enter my credentials again. I'm not sure if I'm the only one.

I don't use 2FA with Twitter, but I have no issues logging in with Containers and Cookie AutoDelete. Just a data point that something else may be amiss on your end. Disabling other extensions and trying it could possibly help narrow down on the cause.

Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by andrewaylett »

baq wrote: post #318
andrewaylett wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like you're after Temporary Containers: https://github.com/stoically/temporary-containers That gets you a clean container every time you click the button. Very useful for development testing, too :).

what's the use case difference between that and porn mode browsing? i can't really tell when i should use one and the other.

I believe Incognito disables (some?) addons, and it has a collection of settings which may mean it acts differently from regular browsing (Tracking Protection is probably the biggest, although I turned that on for normal browsing too).

It's also unclear to me where one Incognito session stops and the next starts, although I'd assume they live and die with their window.

More importantly, Incognito opens a new window while Temporary Containers open in the same window with coloured tabs. So you can have _lots_ in the same window if you want.

Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by andrewaylett »

johnchristopher wrote: post #319
andrewaylett wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like you're after Temporary Containers: https://github.com/stoically/temporary-containers That gets you a clean container every time you click the button. Very useful for development testing, too :).

Does it also clean Firefox built-in DNS cache ?

My understanding is that First Party Isolation maintains _separate_ caches per first party, but I don't know whether temporary (or multi-account- for that matter) containers also do that. It seems like it would be reasonable for them to do so but I can't find a reference.

Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by jrochkind1 »

Heck yeah, I've been dreaming of this for a while. Or really, something that can work on _any_ website you configure it to work on, not just fb.

Or specifically, I'd love one that worked for google search (not neccesarily all google products, which would be hard, but one which let me search without being able to tie me to my other internet use including other google products).

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