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Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by nl »

stephenr wrote: post #308
nl wrote: post #293

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Why the hostility? I think it’s more like 2.5 to 3 times cheaper than 3 to 4, but it’s pretty easy to find. A$1400: https://www.lightinthebox.com/xiaomi-laptop-15-6-inch-intel-... . Vs A$3500: https://www.apple.com/au/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=MP... (with weaker CPU and GPU)

You know those are drastically different displays right?

Yes. It also has a much better selection of ports than a MacBook.

It also doesn’t come with OSX. Pretty sure you can find some other differences too.

I’m sure for some people the screen is a deal breaker. Others won’t care.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by stephenr »

nl wrote: post #321
stephenr wrote: post #308

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You know those are drastically different displays right?

Yes. It also has a much better selection of ports than a MacBook. It also doesn’t come with OSX. Pretty sure you can find some other differences too. I’m sure for some people the screen is a deal breaker. Others won’t care.

You replied to a comment that says:

> can we see that mythical laptop that is 3-4x cheaper than equivalently-specced MBP or not?

So, how is it even remotely equivalent?

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by jordanthoms »

sarreph wrote: post #19

For those with Nvidia GPUs, may I suggest (as per previous comments[0]) that you download the Nvidia BETA drivers[1] for your system. (Disclaimer: at your peril — and for your relevant device... This can be hard to figure-out as what your Mac says your GPU is, in my case a 750M GT, is actually classed as a GeForce GTX 680 :') -- what I've linked to) Seems to have done a decent job at patching up some of the more seri…

Thanks! - I was also having major performance problems on my 2013 MBP with the 750M GT. These drivers seem to have fixed it!

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by nl »

stephenr wrote: post #322
nl wrote: post #321

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Yes. It also has a much better selection of ports than a MacBook. It also doesn’t come with OSX. Pretty sure you can find some other differences too. I’m sure for some people the screen is a deal breaker. Others won’t care.

You replied to a comment that says: > can we see that mythical laptop that is 3-4x cheaper than equivalently-specced MBP or not? So, how is it even remotely equivalent?

Are you serious? Every single person has specs they care about and ones they don’t.

I don’t think the resolution is interesting at all, but I agree some will.

For some people the great MPB trackpad is enough to sell it. Some people want the Xiaomi NVidia GPU. Some want retina screen, some want resolutions with better Linux support.

If you don’t like it don’t get it. But don’t nitpick to try to find some way they aren’t exactly the same: no one thinks that they are.

Nevertheless they are both high quality, i7, 16GB aluminium notebooks which suit developers.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by memco »

baggachipz wrote: post #3

Despite the daily nag messages, I still haven't "upgraded" to High Sierra yet because I've heard nothing but bad things about it from friends and coworkers. What does it bring to the table besides headaches?

The appeal of Metal 2 and APFS are both pretty big. I waited until 10.13.2 for all the concerns about security and performance issues, but finally made the jump. I am on a mid 2014 MBP and have had no noticeable issues. Most of the people for whom it works aren't posting to Twitter or HN saying "ZOMG everyone! My mac worked fine today. Just like it has been for the last 3+ years."

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by steckerhalter »

lispm wrote: post #317
duncan_bayne wrote: post #298

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I've been programming professionally since 2000, working professionally on a range of operating systems: Windows, Linux, OSX and FreeBSD. I've dabbled with Solaris SPARC back in the day, and grew up with AmsDOS and MS DOS. I've never had the pleasure of using a Lisp Machine, but enjoy Common Lisp and have a (jealous / nostalgic) feeling for what a LispM must have been like. I mention all of this to give context to my…

> a pocket computer that won't let you install software of your choice! My Ubuntu tablet did not let me either. It was a major disappointment. Anyway, the OS is no longer maintained and the best thing to do is to use it as a large clock. I'm now using a large iPad Pro, probably the best piece of personal computer hardware I've seen so far... 500GB SSD, fast ARM processor, 120Hz screen with fantastic colors and bright…

I hope no year will ever be the year of the Linux desktop. I use Debian and it is awesome, both on the server and desktop. So as long as Linux is a niche, all is well. How awful if it would become mainstream, think viruses etc. So it's a good thing that people like you don't like it. Keep it up!

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by lispm »

duncan_bayne wrote: post #320
lispm wrote: post #317

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> a pocket computer that won't let you install software of your choice! My Ubuntu tablet did not let me either. It was a major disappointment. Anyway, the OS is no longer maintained and the best thing to do is to use it as a large clock. I'm now using a large iPad Pro, probably the best piece of personal computer hardware I've seen so far... 500GB SSD, fast ARM processor, 120Hz screen with fantastic colors and bright…

Okay, serious question: what is the UI / UX experience you get from your OSX system that you think is lacking on Ubuntu? Or one of the other free OSs? Perhaps my requirements are different. Firefox, Emacs, SLIME, CCL, Roswell, Ruby, Node, RubyMine, and SyncThing run pretty much identically on all OSs I've tried. Spotify still doesn't support FreeBSD (no Widevine), so I run that in a Linux VM. Kerbal Space Program I h…

Example:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI

Ubuntu/Linux is catching up with Wayland to the macOS compositor from years ago.

> Possibly it comes back to your description of "food you don't like"

I like that macOS deals nicely with hiDPI ('Retina') screens.

> Firefox, Emacs, SLIME, CCL, Roswell, Ruby, Node, RubyMine, and SyncThing run pretty much identically on all OSs I've tried.

Personally I prefer to use the LispWorks IDE (which has a nice port to macOS) and the Clozure CL IDE over GNU Emacs/Slime. GNU Emacs/Slime are not bad, but UI-wise it's a nightmare.

> and also to avoid using the mouse

I use trackpads since a few years.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by aaomidi »

threeseed wrote: post #85
aaomidi wrote: post #72

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My avoidance of their built in apps is just simply that I don't want to be locked in to the apple eco system. Apple has always took a closed approach to their software and it's going to hurt them in the long run.

Apple has relied on closed software for 40 years. They are now fast approaching the first trillion dollar company. When exactly is this approach going to stop working for them ? And what evidence is there that people are suddenly going to flock to open source software ?

I never mentioned open source software. I meant software made by other companies that don't lock you into their platform such as Google.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by aaomidi »

fatbird wrote: post #267
aaomidi wrote: post #72

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My avoidance of their built in apps is just simply that I don't want to be locked in to the apple eco system. Apple has always took a closed approach to their software and it's going to hurt them in the long run.

Every time I think their walled garden will hurt them, I end up at my parents trying to help them through various issues on their Android devices, which come from different vendors so it's all kind of different even between devices when it should be the same, and I realize that the walled garden has some really obvious benefits that the HN crowd is somehow uniquely unable to appreciate.

I don't think anyone here looks at this topic with a black and white lens. There are various pros and cons to each and usually for developers the cons of a walled garden outweighs the pros.

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Post by carterehsmith »

wor3q wrote: post #305
carterehsmith wrote: post #289

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>> Im not wrong. Sure thing. Long as you remember to show us the laptop 3-4x cheaper than the equivalent MBP.

Just look at amazon, Laptops with 7700hq and gtx1060 start at about $1k. Equivalent MBP cost almost $3k, while having ddr3 instead of ddr4 and way worse GPU that other vendors pair with this processor.

... ok, I have trouble finding that, from Dell or Lenovo or HP or whoever I can actually buy and get warranty and whatever. BTW --- same parts --- 2GB+/sec SSD, comparable monitor, processor, graphics, battery life, Thunderbolt etc. If it is there I will (well, everyone would) obviously buy right away, but I have trouble finding it.
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