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Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by mattmanser »

sathackr wrote: post #319
lliiffee wrote: post #295

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I think you're making the argument that with more guns, countries tend to have fewer gun deaths per gun. This makes sense, casually. However, I doubt that anyone cares about the number of gun murders per gun, but rather the total number of gun murders, which is (please correct me if wrong) still correlated with more guns. Also, I see that you've focused the discussion on gun murders, which is fine, but we should note…

Does it matter what weapon the murder/suicide was committed with? Yes, fewer guns mean fewer gun deaths -- but does it mean fewer deaths in general? If fewer people own Honda Civics, then fewer people will die in Honda Civic accidents. But that dip in Honda Civic deaths would likely be absorbed into deaths by all other car models, such that the overall death rate remains the same.

Overall suicides significantly reduce as suicide is easier to do on impulse with a gun.

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Post by purple-again »

douche wrote: post #191
rtpg wrote: post #161

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I remember reading some anecdote from an Iraqi at the peak of the war. They talked about how most of the time you're totally safe, but every once in a while a bomb will go off and a bunch of people will die. There's a spectrum of danger that a lot of us have had the privilege to not experience. I could imagine getting mugged in some places in Europe, but not really imagine dying in the "mugging gone wrong => someone…

Eh, if you're not black and also not acting in a threatening or irrational manner, in the US, you're pretty safe. Now, if you're either of those, much less both...

More dead whites than blacks. Individuals don't care about per capita statistics when they lay dying in the street.

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Post by driverdan »

diamondo25 wrote: post #256
sametmax wrote: post #249

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Well, there is a huge difference between Europe and the US/Mexico: most people don't have guns. You will rarely see anybody with a weapon here. If you get attacked, it will be with fists, sometime a knife. Having the possibility that somebody pulls a gun on you is crazy to me, like something that should only happen in a movie.

Living in the Netherlands, I know that people with bad intentions most likely have guns. Even in my small hometown, a citizen that owned a spy equipment store got shot up in daylight in front of his home. Other example would be people getting robbed in their house with guns (not daily, but it happens). There are plenty of other examples... I cannot say I feel 100% save most of the time.

> I cannot say I feel 100% save most of the time.

You can never be 100% safe. That's impossible.

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Post by driverdan »

aianus wrote: post #175
homakov wrote: post #129

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Maybe I was lucky, but I never felt in danger in major US cities walking literally everywhere. While in D.F. I had some anxiety outside of central roads.

I was more scared just outside work at the Twitter HQ in SF (Market and 10th) than I was anywhere in DF.

Why? You find homeless people scary?

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Post by unethical_ban »

jfim wrote: post #172
unethical_ban wrote: post #159

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Sovereignty and the concept of hostile action/influence on life can make the line blurry. If, through inaction, violent warlords displace thousands or millions of people, are the destination countries not adversely affected? The US has millions of economic and war-affected Mexican refugees. Same with Syria... should Germany, Turkey, Greece, etc. say "Syria is sovereign, nothing we can do" when their countries are bei…

> The US has millions of economic and war-affected Mexican refugees. This is false. According to the DHS, less than 1400 refugees have been granted asylum between fiscal years 2013 to 2015 (inclusive) [1]. > Same with Syria... should Germany, Turkey, Greece, etc. say "Syria is sovereign, nothing we can do" when their countries are being overrun? Why not? > The US should look to improve life in Mexico and reduce carte…

I used the refugee term in the sense of "they came here to escape poverty and gang wars", not "the State Dept allowed them in".

And "Why not"? Because of my point: Syrian war is having a very real, direct impact on the other countries, and is violating the Non-Aggression Principle. So even if someone is a Libertarian or non-absolute Pacifist, it could be argued those countries most affected by refugees have the right to self-defense against Syrian combatants.

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Post by treehau5 »

telesilla wrote: post #11

I truly love the country of México - I have spent a large periods of time there for the climate, as a place to work and have a wonderful life, away from the chills of winter. I often thought about making a permanent relocation, but this terror is too real and I found myself living in constant anxiety of my friends and colleagues being in danger, and the fear of speaking your mind weighs on you after a while. I am sad…

> makes for a crazy, exciting mix where the wealth and treasure of history and (deserved) national pride contrasts with poverty and the political and social conservatism that goes alongside.

I am curious why you grouped political and social conservatism with poverty.

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Post by samstave »

diamondo25 wrote: post #256
sametmax wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, there is a huge difference between Europe and the US/Mexico: most people don't have guns. You will rarely see anybody with a weapon here. If you get attacked, it will be with fists, sometime a knife. Having the possibility that somebody pulls a gun on you is crazy to me, like something that should only happen in a movie.

Living in the Netherlands, I know that people with bad intentions most likely have guns. Even in my small hometown, a citizen that owned a spy equipment store got shot up in daylight in front of his home. Other example would be people getting robbed in their house with guns (not daily, but it happens). There are plenty of other examples... I cannot say I feel 100% save most of the time.

that sounds like an interesting story - more info on the spy equipment store owner who was gunned down please.

mayhaps it was a husband who was caught doing bad things by his wife, due to the spy equipment the guy sold to his wife?

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Post by ofcrpls »

briandear wrote: post #292
mattmanser wrote: post #262

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It might not make you feel better, but Holland's gun death per 100,000 is in the 0.5's compared to the U.S.'s 10's and Mexico's 10's. You're 20 times more likely to get killed by a gun in the US or Mexico. Note that in the whole of Holland there are 50 gun homicides per year, so you were actually pretty unlucky to experience that. Your experience is exceptional and not a common occurrence, especially as I assume most…

The gun homicide rate in the US is 4.5. The US has roughly 110 guns per 100,000 people and 4.5 gun homicides per 100,000 people. Mexico has over 20 gun homicides per 100,000 people and about 18 guns per 100,000 people. Canada has 2 gun murders per 100,000 people and 31 guns per 100,000 people. Mexico: each gun is responsible for 1.11 murders US: each gun is responsible for .04 murders Canada: each gun is responsible…

(Total number of guns / total number of gun owners) is missing in this conversation. Many single gun owners skew the total number of guns.

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Post by hwillis »

tim333 wrote: post #248
hwillis wrote: post #171

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>It's very easy to make AK-like and AR-like guns. Preface: I know guns, I like guns, I am a competent machinist and I know all about lowers, gun laws, and the shovel AK. It is not easy to make guns. You need huge factories and while the cartels are theoretically capable of such things, its incomparable to US-based gun manufacture. Mexican factories can be shut down. Mexico can do nothing about guns that come from the…

I agree it's not easy but you can do it without a huge factory as they have been doing in Darra Pakistan for decades http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/town-ak-47-sells-les... I was there a while ago - it's a fun place and for a few dollars you can take an AK out behind the shack and let rip. Usually the tourists use Russian ones and they are less likely to explode on you than the local copies.

I saw him thread a muzzle and priming rounds. It looks very much like they are getting 99% done guns and just assembling them, or making stocks or converting them to select fire, which happens in Mexico already. That's just a technical redefinition of what a "gun" is. However even if Mexico was forced to make do entirely with 90% lowers, it would still be a massive restriction in volume. The number of lowers is way, way smaller than the number of guns that are made every day.

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Post by MaxfordAndSons »

6stringmerc wrote: post #87
MaxfordAndSons wrote: post #41

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Blog Del Narco[1] is one such underground source. Of course, some accuse it of falling short of journalistic standards because it filters almost nothing, and so has often been used as a de facto PR outlet for numerous cartels. Even so, one of its founders is believed to have been murdered in 2013, and the other was forced to leave Mexico permanently. [1] http://www.blogdelnarco.com/

BDN is a use at your own risk site. I far prefer www.borderlandbeat.com Very committed group working with material to translate into English to spread knowledge about the goings on in the large scope of the country. Many different regions / players. Just a suggestion.

> BDN is a use at your own risk site.

I'm curious, what risk(s) do you mean? If you mean NSFW and disturbing violence, you're right, and I apologize to anyone who didn't get that - I assumed given the topic it would be self evident.

Also I second your endorsement of Borderland Beat, that's what I actually read as a non-Spanish speaker.

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