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Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by nebabyte »

tehlike wrote: post #211
warbiscuit wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes Donald Trump's action so sickenly selfish is that a better life is why his grandfather Friedrich Drumpf immigrated from Bavaria. Though one could argue 3 generations later that act of immigration is not benefitting the US.

Eh if you look from a narrow angle, he is providing employment through his business. I think that's a benefit to the country. It's too early to say what benefits the country will have after his presidency.

Going around and shooting people with jobs would be opening up employment for other people too, doesn't make it good policy.

Barring employment and immigration to an ethnic group is absolutely disastrous for the country.

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Post by jmorphy88 »

mertd wrote: post #127
warbiscuit wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes Donald Trump's action so sickenly selfish is that a better life is why his grandfather Friedrich Drumpf immigrated from Bavaria. Though one could argue 3 generations later that act of immigration is not benefitting the US.

Let's just spell it out. They were white Christians and therefore are welcome. Statue of Liberty weeps with sorrow.

So what? America's history is overwhelmingly white and Christian. The vast majority of immigration to the US has been from white, Christian nations, even more so at the time when the Statue of Liberty was erected. Is the US a nation of Yemeni immigrants? It's silly to simply treat all potential immigrants as if they are the same. Also, it's disingenuous to reference the Statue of Liberty as some kind of justification for unlimited immigration from all nations of the world. The USA is not a dumping ground for the world's poor.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by jmorphy88 »

WildUtah wrote: post #188
chrisper wrote: post #123

This is another reason why I decided to move back to Europe after I am done studying than trying to work on H1B. I just really do not need the stress of having to worry if I'll be kicked out overnight or not. I would probably be fine, as I am not a Muslim, but still. No thanks. Trump could make "America great again" any minute and just decide to kick out any non-American.

Excellent. America shouldn't take any immigrants that just want to exploit our resources or wealth. Only those who believe in America and love the people and our land so much they would take all the risks of coming because no alternative is good enough should immigrate here. I wish you the best of good fortune in everything back home.

Correct. America is not a giant shopping mall for the world, it's a country. "Love it or leave it" is an entirely appropriate and necessary statement.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by nebabyte »

zardeh wrote: post #80
maxerickson wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The petition doesn't mean anything to begin with. The previous administration used them as a PR device. They aren't binding. Who knows if it is even intentional that it still works.

If (and that is a potentially big if) Trump continues the Obama admin plan of responding to all petitions that have >100K signatures, it will be interesting to see what the response to 'hey you should let this young female student who was already here back in, since she poses no danger to the US'.

100k+ signatures = response from trump on twitter

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Post by intended »

nl wrote: post #189
berberous wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm against this order and generally agree with you, but the conflict-of-interest article is BS. The list of countries is the same as was targeted under Obama for extra screening: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/visa-waiver-libya-somali...

This needs more emphasis. These countries were already hard for US citizens to do business in (hence no Trump holidings). I don't think Trump cares much about money - he is interested in Power. "Corruption" is a distraction. I also think the thing about his tax returns is the same.

I think your president has figured out a way to

1)piss everyone off except his core vote base

2) be forced out of office

3) launch a movie/book/tv show

4) profit

I don't think his original plan was to win the election.

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Post by hallman76 »

WOW.

@daxorid shared his view - which wasn't inflammatory. The comment was downvoted, then flagged before I could reply.

Terrifying, how? This is what Trump promised, and the reason we voted for him. Half of us are quite happy to see campaign promises actually implemented.

HN is acting as if this was capricious and unplanned. In fact, it's what half of us wanted.

@daxorid voted for a political party that you disagree with. If they can't share their views openly and honestly we won't learn from their perspective.

Based on a tiny sample of GOP friends, they agree with @daxorid. Those friends voted for Trump based on campaign promises and they're happy that he's following-through those promises. For me this was a sort of "oh shit" moment. What else did he promise?? WP has a list: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-promi...

Half of the country is excited by that list. The other half is not.

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Post by concinds »

crispinb wrote: post #159
hesdeadjim wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not America that did this it's a minority of America. The rest of us feel like prisoners in our own country when faced with this kind of complete and utter insanity.

Many HN readers (and Dem voters) are among the tech elite who at best benefit (and at worst promote) the fundamentalist neoliberal-corporate ideology that has crushed the US citizenry and contributed substantially to the von Clownstick revolt. They were the useful idiots content to keep their heads down, buy shitloads of expensive tech gadgetry, pay the elevated rents that dehomed locals, and obediently wrote code wh…

More people should listen to this. Davos said one of the biggest problems in 2017 will be political/ideological instability in democracies. The question is: how do you stabilize?

I just can't understand the short-term thinking of many here. The political system is volatile. You have growing radical fringes on both sides of the spectrum, increasingly more organized, more hysterical, and less factual.

Blaming "the other side" achieves what? Put your egos aside and look at the big picture. How do you avoid total dislocation of the country?

This was all predictable. All this is, is an escalation of political conflict between the left and right. How do you resolve conflict? Not by yelling at the other side, or telling them "they're responsible for their votes". You resolve conflict through competent communication. Most people don't want to do that, since it's easier to attack.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by concinds »

lucb1e wrote: post #74
lazyant wrote: post #50

Proud to be Canadian, see our PM's latest tweets https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/825438460265762816

> Proud to be $nationality I can't say I'm not proud of the Netherlands, but in this context... isn't this a big source of much evil? Us versus them? Ours vs. not ours?

There is nothing wrong with healthy pride (compared to egotistical pride). We all have things to be grateful for, hopeful about, and proud of, and that has never hurt anyone. Lack of healthy pride in oneself, one's identity and one's values is a sign of low self-esteem, a great source of suffering in the world. Black and white thinking on pride leads to fuzzy thinking and bad conclusions.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by tssva »

intro-b wrote: post #2

How this is happening, the exact trajectory of how much worse these things are (and its potential to worsen) is somewhat terrifying, especially when you consider the cavalier disregard and easy ignorance that this policy represents. I know classmates and colleagues and friends who are discussing, in their groups and communities, how to best help people stranded, whether or not vacations and returns to see ill family…

I think it is a little naive to think the effect on the country's "reputation as a place to study, travel, find work, and start families + settle down" wasn't considered by those pushing for this policy. Damaging this reputation and therefore reducing overall immigration was most likely considered a positive effect of the policy.

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Post by mildbow »

tropo wrote: post #313
moinnadeem wrote: post #161

Undergrad at MIT here, thanks for signing! Our community has been fairly troubled by this to say the least, and your outpour of support is incredibly helpful.

This is an easy position for you to take, since you have already gained admission to MIT and you know these people. Consider a US citizen who would like to get admitted to MIT. Trump's action will what, double the chances of getting in? Consider the parents of that kid, already paying taxes that provide for the research grants that MIT lives off of.

You need to be better at math if you want to go to MIT.
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