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Re: A deportation at the UK border

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Post by Silhouette » Sat, Jun 11, 2016, 3:52 PM UTC

semanticist wrote: post #136

rwmj wrote: post #18

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I'm never sure if Theresa May is evil or incompetent. It may be she is just incapable of controlling her department, although perhaps I'm being too charitable.

I strongly suspect it's the latter - every MP who becomes home secretary basically turns into a fascist, almost overnight. I guess they show them a bunch of secret reports on events that "almost" happened to scare them into going along with whatever the Home Office civil service have always been wanting to do.

I read somewhere recently that there are now so many requests for authorisation to do various things in connection with probably very nasty people that the Home Secretary can spend 5-6 hours on a typical day just reading them and granting the authorisations that require their personal approval.

Assuming that's reasonably accurate, it is hard to imagine how spending half your day every day just reading about people who are probably the worst of the worst in many cases could not have a profound effect on how you view the world.

Whether anyone so deeply immersed in such a biased view should be expected to serve in such a position for more than a short period of time, and whether they should be responsible for making judgements about much of anything else during that period, are entirely different questions.

Re: A deportation at the UK border

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Post by Silhouette » Sat, Jun 11, 2016, 4:07 PM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #316

7952 wrote: post #209

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I wonddr if the whole "visa free travel" thing is the real problem. Better to make it easy for everyone to apply online before they actually board a flight. Ask sufficiently nuanced questions so that people know exactly what kind of visa they actually need.

Here's the UK version. https://www.gov.uk/check-uk-visa 1) What's your nationality as shown on your passport? 2) What are you coming to the UK to do? Tourism, including visiting friends or family Work, academic visit or business Study Transit (on your way to somewhere else) Join partner or family for a long stay Get married or enter into a civil partnership Visit your child at school Get private medical treatment For…

I'm pleased to see that web site has been improved. We went through this with some invited guest workers not so long ago, and at the time, the type of visa they needed was described in a very counter-intuitive place on the government web site. Much more time and money was spent trying to figure out what they needed than should have been necessary. It didn't give us much faith in the relevant authorities that even a relatively simple case where everyone was actively trying to do the right thing caused so much hassle, so it's nice to see that at least that particular issue has now been fixed and the part of the site you linked to would now give someone in the same position the right answer in a few seconds.

Re: A deportation at the UK border

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Post by sveiss » Sat, Jun 11, 2016, 4:14 PM UTC

davb wrote: post #289

robjan wrote: post #285

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The purpose of ICTS process is to establish that you will not be deported from your destination country. When they put the sticker on the passport it means that they are satisfied that you have the correct visa/visa waiver to enter. If you get deported then the airline has to repatriate you at their expense.

I don't think so, in this case. We weren't asked anything about completion of an ESTA or API. It definitely felt like more of a security/behavioural screening - not a check on visa or travel eligibility. If this was the case, they'd have made their intentions clear and wouldn't have been at the gate waiting to re-check passengers. Or that check would have been performed at the check-in desk, where they check your eli…

They are contractors, and I expect that different airlines will engage them for different purposes.

Depending on airline, I've had them do the standard "did you pack everything yourself?" questions and attempt to determine my eligibility to enter the destination country. I haven't yet encountered them in the behaviour screening role, though.

Re: A deportation at the UK border

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Post by CiaranMcNulty » Sat, Jun 11, 2016, 5:01 PM UTC

germanier wrote: post #160

Symbiote wrote: post #153

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Not for another two weeks, anyway... :-(

It would take quite some time (likely at least a few years) even after a positive vote.

There's in fact a 2 year minimum period

Re: A deportation at the UK border

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Post by tajen » Sat, Jun 11, 2016, 9:34 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #6

rossng wrote: post #4

I am not happy about the continued existence of what are essentially rights-free zones at border crossings. Unfortunately, with the current political climate in the UK, I'm not sure the majority of my fellow countrymen would agree. And I'm certain Theresa May doesn't care. It's easy for politicians to ignore these problems, as they will almost never affect their own citizens. A similar situation exists with the NSA a…

Indeed. See also the ongoing sagas of people being deported from Scotland (Brain family, Zielsdorf family). The policy is brutal because people demand that "something must be done" about "immigrants". The system is made ever tighter, but it does nothing to dampen the complaints, because the people who the rightwing public actually want deported are either EU residents or second-generation nonwhite Muslim "immigrants"…

I vote close to extreme right in EU. The only people I want deported are illegal immigrants. I also want talent/work-based immigration and fewer visas for familial regroupement (as in, get one member in EU, get all your relatives in EU).

I have been a migrant in Australia. I know what that is. I expect my country to require the same respect from people we welcome.

Mainstream parties do absolutely nothing in this direction.

I do not mind about nationals who have been French for more than one generation, who belong here, provided they don't burn the French flag like they do so often. Burning the flag is only the emerged part of the iceberg for the little respect some have for their host country - They feel like they belong to the Arabic cause more than they belong to country who provides the free schools they've been to). Burning the French flag should be cause for prison or visa cancellation, but y'know, "we need diversity"...

Even our French Minister of Justice refuses to sing the Marseillaise. I'm really fed up with the floppiness of mainstream parties.

Re: A deportation at the UK border

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Post by legulere » Mon, Jun 13, 2016, 7:30 AM UTC

fapjacks wrote: post #254

Bromskloss wrote: post #146

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Now that we're telling stories: I was flying home from England to Sweden and going through the inspection before departure. The guy checking me could tell that I was upset about it all, having to remove my belt and maybe even my shoes. When we were done, he had the greatest line: "Thank you for your cooperation, from Mr. Obama."

You know, I flew from Barcelona to Stockholm and I have to say, not having anything to do with US/UK borders was a phenomenally pleasant experience.

But that's like a domestic flight, because both are part of the Schengen Agreement?

Re: A deportation at the UK border

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Post by majewsky » Mon, Jun 13, 2016, 12:57 PM UTC

gaius wrote: post #280

majewsky wrote: post #198

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To add insult to injury, these men were already selected as suspicious by the immigration officers. The psychological effect is quite easily imagined, regardless of the usefulness of their definition of "suspicious".

If she was innocent, could they not have been too?

That's why I added the last half-sentence.

Re: A deportation at the UK border

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Post by fapjacks » Tue, Jun 14, 2016, 4:03 AM UTC

legulere wrote: post #326

fapjacks wrote: post #254

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You know, I flew from Barcelona to Stockholm and I have to say, not having anything to do with US/UK borders was a phenomenally pleasant experience.

But that's like a domestic flight, because both are part of the Schengen Agreement?

The point is that both the United States and the United Kingdom are using their borders as processing centers. They are using their travel hubs as surveillance machines. That's what makes travelling through them suck. My personal theory is that the belt and shoes come off not because it actually stops people from bringing bombs onto airplanes, but because it gives the security apparatus extra processing time while the targets are still on-site.

Re: A deportation at the UK border

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Post by panglott » Tue, Jun 14, 2016, 2:27 PM UTC

germanier wrote: post #257

panglott wrote: post #246

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The difference (as described in her post) was that the conference was sponsored by a German organization, not a UK-based one, and that was not detailed on the Web site.

Even if the conference would have been sponsored by a British organization this would have resulted in the same outcome no matter what she described in her post.

"[The officer] told me that the honorarium and letter of invitation only applies if the company inviting you to the UK is based in the United Kingdom. This clarification was not on the gov.uk site I and the organizers poured over."