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Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by tyfon » Sat, Jun 04, 2016, 2:24 PM UTC

r2dnb wrote: post #275

tyfon wrote: post #194

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I wholeheartedly agree with this. I deleted my facebook account several years ago and I still have contact with my real friends via phone and email and a thing called meeting up in real life. All I lost were the friends I never wanted anyway. As a side note, my company recently had a meeting with execs of our national branch of facebook, and after that meeting about 50% of our execs went and deleted their account...

>As a side note, my company recently had a meeting with execs of our national branch of facebook, and after that meeting about 50% of our execs went and deleted their account... I am interested, can you please elaborate ? (Feel free to email me - see my profile - if it is sensitive)

I'd rather not, it is sensitive, but I can tell you that the whole management at our company came out shocked at how FB operated, and not to the positive.

The issue was the "product"s (i.e regular people) privacy and the attitude towards them by the local FB management.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by mattwad » Sat, Jun 04, 2016, 2:29 PM UTC

galdosdi wrote: post #295

This is kind of convenient; it gives me one more excuse not to use facebook. A few days ago I got the usual notification email that somebody had sent me a message on FB. Clicking is a low barrier so I clicked, curiously. Then I instead got the "No, now you have to install Messenger app" screen. That was enough of a barrier that I said "oh forget it, who cares, anybody who knows me would know better than to send me an…

I don't use Facebook at all, though I have an account. Messenger is perfect for me because I only care about the [very rare] chances that someone sends me a message on Facebook. These have always been friends or family that I haven't talked to in a while, actually! And they don't always have my phone or email address...

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by oneloop » Sat, Jun 04, 2016, 2:30 PM UTC

Borating wrote: post #292

oneloop wrote: post #230

It's really sad to me to see a bunch of intelligent people here being led like sheep by Facebook (no, this isn't a sheeple post, hear me out) Virtually everyone here complains "Facebook does XYZ really bad but I still use them because all my friends are there". I have a solution. Why don't you get all your friends off there? Pick a platform that you really like and start evangelising. The only reason why Facebook has…

The only reason why Facebook has as much power as it does is because of user lock-in, but that use lock-in is only strong because no one fights it actively. Therefore, I started evangelising from WhatsApp to Telegram Telegram is also a close silo. Tell your friend to use programs that use an open protocol like XMPP [1]. Please read [1] [1] https://communicationfreedom.wordpress.com/jabberxmpp/

No, that's not what I wrote. You copied two phrases of mine together to give them a different meaning.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by Matt3o12_ » Sat, Jun 04, 2016, 2:32 PM UTC

xiaoma wrote: post #315

Matt3o12_ wrote: post #300

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How did you make your friends use telegram instead just for you? I use iMessage with my best friend and my dad because it is my preferred way of communication (it is fairly secure, easy to use, and I can reply from my watch, Mac, iPad and iPhone, unlike any competitor except email). For everybody else I have to use what's app because they cannot be bothered to install an app just to contact me once a week (or some ev…

Woah. Your professor requires students to have whatsapp? That's messed up.

We are not required to have it but she has my number and prefers to use WhatsApp to message me (nothing important just little annoucements and suggestions such as what topic to choose for my final oral exam). All official stuff is still written on paper. She probably uses WhatsApp because everybody at my age (who lives in my country) uses it all the time and she thinks this is more reliable to conntact me.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by Geee » Sat, Jun 04, 2016, 2:32 PM UTC

It seems that the actual problem is Android with their permission system.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by tsuraan » Sat, Jun 04, 2016, 2:34 PM UTC

Koshkin wrote: post #283

therein wrote: post #157

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He agreed with him so I just upvoted his post to give him back the upvote he meant.

I have always found it surprising that someone may honestly think that upvoting and downvoting can be used to express agreement or disagreement. If you strongly agree or disagree, just reply with a post of your own; up/downvoting is there so you could express your opinion on the quality of the post rather than whether you think that what it is saying is true or false.

Paul Graham, who started HN, is one of those people: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 . Generally, HN strongly discourages "me too" or "i agree" type comments. We prefer to just upvote comments in order to keep discussion threads interesting and on-topic.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by teej » Sat, Jun 04, 2016, 2:38 PM UTC

rtpg wrote: post #299

galdosdi wrote: post #295

This is kind of convenient; it gives me one more excuse not to use facebook. A few days ago I got the usual notification email that somebody had sent me a message on FB. Clicking is a low barrier so I clicked, curiously. Then I instead got the "No, now you have to install Messenger app" screen. That was enough of a barrier that I said "oh forget it, who cares, anybody who knows me would know better than to send me an…

The counterpoint is that I know heavy FB users (myself included) who have opted to just install Messenger on their phones, essentially being able to get rid of FB on the phone, to limit distractions but keep the nice communication While I kinda get removing it from the mobile app, I don't really know what the rationale is for getting rid of mobile web chat though. It's not like it's disappearing from the desktop web…

The rationale that Facebook is using is chat isn't chat anymore, chat is a platform. You have Line/QQ/WeChat to thank for that. Cut the edges to funnel into the "core", and soup it up with platform features to compete with China.

Personally I'm not convinced that "Westerners" are going to get on board with Chinese-style all-in-one chat apps. I'm doubly unconvinced that Facebook will pull it off.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by BurningFrog » Sat, Jun 04, 2016, 2:40 PM UTC

mattwad wrote: post #322

galdosdi wrote: post #295

This is kind of convenient; it gives me one more excuse not to use facebook. A few days ago I got the usual notification email that somebody had sent me a message on FB. Clicking is a low barrier so I clicked, curiously. Then I instead got the "No, now you have to install Messenger app" screen. That was enough of a barrier that I said "oh forget it, who cares, anybody who knows me would know better than to send me an…

I don't use Facebook at all, though I have an account. Messenger is perfect for me because I only care about the [very rare] chances that someone sends me a message on Facebook. These have always been friends or family that I haven't talked to in a while, actually! And they don't always have my phone or email address...

The simple reason I do all the communication I can on FBM is that I know it won't get lost in some spam filter.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by BurningFrog » Sat, Jun 04, 2016, 2:45 PM UTC

oneloop wrote: post #230

It's really sad to me to see a bunch of intelligent people here being led like sheep by Facebook (no, this isn't a sheeple post, hear me out) Virtually everyone here complains "Facebook does XYZ really bad but I still use them because all my friends are there". I have a solution. Why don't you get all your friends off there? Pick a platform that you really like and start evangelising. The only reason why Facebook has…

One reason I have a fair number of friends is that I don't evangelize to them.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Post by sotojuan » Sat, Jun 04, 2016, 2:49 PM UTC

mattwad wrote: post #322

galdosdi wrote: post #295

This is kind of convenient; it gives me one more excuse not to use facebook. A few days ago I got the usual notification email that somebody had sent me a message on FB. Clicking is a low barrier so I clicked, curiously. Then I instead got the "No, now you have to install Messenger app" screen. That was enough of a barrier that I said "oh forget it, who cares, anybody who knows me would know better than to send me an…

I don't use Facebook at all, though I have an account. Messenger is perfect for me because I only care about the [very rare] chances that someone sends me a message on Facebook. These have always been friends or family that I haven't talked to in a while, actually! And they don't always have my phone or email address...

I'm also in the "Messenger-only" camp aside from college events before I graduated. Messenger is honestly handy and fun but most importantly for me everyone is on it and active. It's simply the best way to reach someone for me.