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Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by userbinator »

bnb wrote: post #293
staunch wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet it clearly violates our expectations of privacy. You don't think clicking a menu on a desktop app will send a report back to Microsoft HQ. There are many ways to improve software that do not involve analyzing unwitting users, like making it clearly opt-in.

If it were opt-in, I would absolutely opt-into it. I want the companies who make products I use/consume to succeed - that's why I never install ad-block. I watch tons of shows on YouTube and niche video sites, and I know the ads are what help these companies stay alive. While I know installing ad-block is still opt-out (not -in), it's still a choice of a click that I'm making. I want to support you, but I don't want…

By doing that, you're implicitly saying "exploit me". You are helping them succeed, but only in the way that they want. I don't think subjecting yourself to such torture, when it will only bring more of the same, is a good idea.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by ploxiln »

yoz wrote: post #317
ploxiln wrote: post #211

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Only losing market share and power has made Microsoft produce software with reasonable quality, flexibility, and interoperability. A lot of the credit for that goes to Apple's crazy climb in popularity. But at least some of it also goes to technologists involved in networking, the internet, and the web, many of whom decided never to deal with any Microsoft stuff ever again. If you knew the frustration of Microsoft's…

I remember it very differently. It's particularly interesting that you start with 1995, since that's the year of Bill Gates's "Tidal Wave" memo. A large chunk of MS suddenly devoted itself to getting Really Good At The Internet, and within a few months produced the best web browser on the market (IE 3, the first mainstream browser to implement CSS) and the best JVM (far faster than Sun's own at the time). IE continue…

I'll admit I didn't really get started until 2000, and I'd also push the end-range to around 2009. And I did use the Mozilla Suite back then (pre Seamonkey naming).

The main problem with IE, regardless of how good it is, is that it is windows only. This was true of all of Microsoft's stuff (particularly crappy mac versions don't count) (I also wasn't a fan of Mac OS 9 ... but there was bsd and linux for a number of years by then...) They used their own formats, which were not publicly documented or even really designed. If you had to use any single Microsoft thing, you practically had to use it all. Samba and later OpenOffice changed the situation but were really a lot of reverse-engineering and bug-for-bug-compatibility work, and of course Microsoft kept moving the goalposts with new versions and new bugs.

The resentment comes from the lock-in. You had to pay a lot of money and deal with licenses (or pirate and deal with cracks) just to experiment. You had to deal with the surprisingly flaky file sharing and dhcp client etc. You had to deal with the fact that there wasn't a good terminal or shell, that the compiler was not trivial to download and install and invoke from a script, etc. If you have the freedom to choose the "convenience" of the Microsoft user-oriented products or not, it's not such a big deal that Microsoft everything sucked for networking related development. But if the lock-in gets you somehow, you really resent it.

EDIT: and I almost forgot! microsoft calling linux a "cancer", funding lawsuits over linux kernel code, trying to make it harder for linux to support ACPI based systems - more underhanded lock-in to their crap

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by haimez »

tosseraccount wrote: post #84
qyv wrote: post #64

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The cross-platform aspect is very nice IMO. Being able to feel at home on all 3 major platforms is great!

That requires proprietary libraries your users can't install. MS, Apple and Android have no incentive to make your programs easily portable. They've gone to extreme lengths to make it hard.

It's so easy to pile on since this post is already almost invisible, but this sounds like Richard Stallman's throwaway. The point isn't that it's proprietary, it's that it's an effective tool to use. Also, we're talking about the fact that it is being open sourced so I think your comment is coming from a place of hurt. Who hurt you, bro? Was it Bill? Show me on this doll where Bill hurt you.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by yy77 »

A good editor does not need to be open source to have a good eco-system based on plugins (like sublime). The MIT license seems to be friendly who would fork to make a more specific editor for some special language/purpose.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by wstrange »

DasIch wrote: post #319
simoncion wrote: post #263

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> If they keep it up with actions such as these, there's a good chance they'll stand to be rewarded for it. And -quickly enough- they'll go back to being the old MSFT we all knew and loathed from top to bottom, and these olive branches will vanish quicker than a pile of shaved ice on a summer day. For many of us, this isn't our first rodeo. :)

Why would they go back? That strategy seemed promising in the beginning but clearly it caused massive damage to their reputation and simply doesn't work in the long term.

I think that strategy reaped them billions, and continues to do so (the Office franchise is still a money printing press).

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by chanon »

stevebmark wrote: post #224

Visual Studio Code does not yet support JSX, nor properly supports ES6, so it's currently unusable to modern Javascript devs. Which is a shame, because it has a lot of potential! I'll be watching this closely to see when it becomes usable in my workflow.

No, it does properly support both of those and I've been happily using those features in VS Code for a while now. It might actually be the best editor for JSX.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by simoncion »

wstrange wrote: post #325
DasIch wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would they go back? That strategy seemed promising in the beginning but clearly it caused massive damage to their reputation and simply doesn't work in the long term.

I think that strategy reaped them billions, and continues to do so (the Office franchise is still a money printing press).

Yep.

It's abundantly clear that their slimeball strategies worked very well for them for at least twenty years. In the computing industry, twenty years is a very long time. :)

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by dump100 »

ploxiln wrote: post #322
yoz wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember it very differently. It's particularly interesting that you start with 1995, since that's the year of Bill Gates's "Tidal Wave" memo. A large chunk of MS suddenly devoted itself to getting Really Good At The Internet, and within a few months produced the best web browser on the market (IE 3, the first mainstream browser to implement CSS) and the best JVM (far faster than Sun's own at the time). IE continue…

I'll admit I didn't really get started until 2000, and I'd also push the end-range to around 2009. And I did use the Mozilla Suite back then (pre Seamonkey naming). The main problem with IE, regardless of how good it is, is that it is windows only. This was true of all of Microsoft's stuff (particularly crappy mac versions don't count) (I also wasn't a fan of Mac OS 9 ... but there was bsd and linux for a number of y…

Uptill IE 5, it was was there for Mac, and Linux was never mainstream till the time, for it to be evil to not support it.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by jansanchez »

bigger_cheese wrote: post #266

I usually use a minGW environment when I have to use a Windows box - which gives me GDB, GCC, ld etc. I've found it can be really frustrating to set up properly. I really miss Emacs. This sounds like it could be missing piece. How is its support for C/C++ ?

Looks like only highlighting support. I would love to know if there are plans to improve C++ support.
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