You can tell this is a bullshit poll by how many people like C. Don't get me wrong, it's a great language, but there's no way there are that many people programming in C. It has as many likes as JavaScript. Rather, people just voted C because it's a favorite language and it usually has positive press around Hacker News. So people vote what's popular and hip, despite probably having never stepped out of their web development languages (PHP, Ruby, Python, JavaScript, etc.) bubble.
Poll: What are your liked and disliked programming languages?
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Re: Poll: What are your liked and disliked programming languages?
#312Earlier quoted context omitted.
realise that ORMs are inherently stupid. That's quite the claim... Care to expand on why you think ORMs are "inherently stupid"?
also without an ORM do you just hand roll all your object graphs? I'm picturing a sea of builders and factories which amount to a hand rolled ORM anyway. Or are you practicing stringly typed programming? Ultimately in any strongly typed language you're either going to make/use some kind of mapper or else abandon typing and use maps/dicts which raises the question of why you're using a strongly typed language in the f…
First, you can have strongly typed languages that aren't object oriented. Instead of using maps/dics, you could use records.
The thing I don't like about ORMs as they are typically handled is that you map objects to tables up front, and those are the things you can query for.
Using something like Linq, you can more easily treat your database as relational, and still return strongly typed objects. These objects can be the thing you wanted to return from the query, which is not necessarily mapped directly to the entities in the database.
I like this approach more, since you still get one of the main advantages of a relational database: you can get the data in the shape you want, not in the shape it's stored.
Re: Poll: What are your liked and disliked programming languages?
#313And the award of least significant poll of the week goes to... Seriously, you won't get anything meaningful out of this, people will vote for the language they like and then bash the usual suspects (PHP, actionscript, C++,...). Also they will browse the first 20 entries or so and then get bored and skip to the end. I'm sure the people who "dislike cobol" (7 people at the moment) have intimate knowledge of the languag…
I can only speak for myself, but I marked languages I liked that I've used enough to say like/dislike. The only one I disliked was ruby, which is something I've done enough in to know one way or the other. Overall I ended up with a bunch of likes and only one dislike.
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#314Regarding the language itself, what's there to dislike about C#?
If C# wasn't made by Microsoft, but had a similar toolset and feature set, i would offer the opinion that it would be the top managed language.
I hate Microsoft, but I love both C# and F# as languages. Unfortunately, I refuse to use them because Microsoft.
Mono is a great attempt at making the use of the languages acceptable to me, but unfortunately it is still a second class citizen. It works okay, I guess, but .NET was created from the ground up as Windows infrastructure.
The same could be said for Clojure on the JVM...it works great if you are using pure Clojure, but the moment you try to use Java libraries, all of a sudden everything becomes messy and loses its idiomatic nature and all the elegance that goes with it (like, for example, the pervasiveness of mutating methods in Java but the almost religious avoidance of mutability in Clojure).
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#315Regarding the language itself, what's there to dislike about C#?
Variance is messed up, lack of higher kinded types, type inference is pretty awful, no implicit conversion, too much boilerplate for a small method call. sometimes I just want to write:
public static String getFirstThree(String s) = s.SubString(3);
Re: Poll: What are your liked and disliked programming languages?
#316Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also I see no reason why this is any more subjective than it claims—it's not asking for which language is some ill-defined notion of "best" but instead which ones people "like". I think it's perfectly reasonable to dislike a language you've never used. You can't claim it's a "bad" language (for reasons perhaps even above not having a definition for "bad") but I can't claim that you don't dislike it.
That fact that people are disliking languages they've never used is one of the reasons I'd agree the poll is meaningless. Sure, it's reasonable to dislike a language for whatever reason, but that doesn't mean that the results of such a free form poll can be interpreted in any meaningful way.
Who cares, it's interesting. It's cool to just to gauge the general sentiment of the languages on HN.
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#317Dislike ActionScript - Like JavaScript. Interesting ...
I think more people click dislike ActionScript because they dislike Flash rather than that they actually used ActionScript and did not like it.
(For the unfamiliar: ActionScript and JavaScript are both implementations of the same language specification. Disclaimer: I have no idea in which ways both languages divert from the specification.)
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#318Damn Java has a 1:2 like to dislike ratio. Why do people hate on Java? I'm totally biased because it is the first language I learned and I use it daily but seriously, why the dislike? It is powerful, portable, stable, hard to shoot yourself in the foot with, and tons of standard libraries. Also the libraries (standard or 3rd party) rarely violate the rule of least surprise. I can nearly always guess the right way to…
Working with basic data structures like maps, sets, and lists that you don't have to manually allocate takes approximately 20 times as much code as it does in nicer languages like Python.
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#319Earlier quoted context omitted.
My thought exactly. Actually I was think - "geez, these people are such hipsters". Everyone loves the "cool" languages - Scala, Haskell, etc. But of course the lame languages suck (Java). Though I was pleasantly surprised to see the love for C#. It's a very nice language and you'd think being from MS it wouldn't be "cool".
What's the concern? Is there any reason why disliking a language for reasons of fashion is bad? I personally think that I'd maybe prefer not to work with someone who likes (and argues) for languages due to fashion... but I'm also a by-day-and-night Haskell developer, so I imagine that invalidates my opinion in some ways.
Fashion-based-programming leads to endless re-invented wheels and more effort going into running round in circles than looking a bit into history and learning from it. Ruby and Python seem to live in parallel, separate worlds. Oh look, here comes Node.js where everything's written again, this time in JS.
I'm not arguing for monoculture but it's a bit sad to see isolated communities not working together.
Haskell is an example of a language which a good reason to exist: solid unique PL qualities and is also highly applicable to specific problems.
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#320I like C++. I dislike C++. No seriously. For everything good about a language there's usually something that's not so good and is completely frustrating. That's why there's so many programming languages, they're all awful and excellent at the same time, asking a favourite is like saying 'do you prefer being hugged whilst on fire, or being hugged by someone on fire'.
I was thinking the same thing about simultaneously liking and disliking JavaScript.