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Poll: What are your liked and disliked programming languages?

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Re: Poll: What are your liked and disliked programming languages?

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Post by infinotize »

I'm surprised at the current number of likes/dislikes for Lisp and Scheme. Most of my work, including at home, work and in the past at school, was in C, C++, Java, Perl, Python, SQL and some mixes of Shell and other minor dabbling in other languages.

I had some exposure to Lisp in school way back when, and had to do some work in Scheme. I hated it. Strong dislike! So what was I missing? It seems these have a strong following compared with how widespread they are.

Re: Poll: What are your liked and disliked programming languages?

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Post by rjbwork »

leokun wrote: post #63

In my very uninformed, and novice opinion, which you should entirely disregard, it is my probably incorrect estimation that the Rust developers are in maybe over their heads. I don't like saying negative things about an interesting idea, good engineers who mean well, so I don't like this so please someone convince me why I'm wrong. A few things: The multiple ways to manage memory seem completely messy to me, the vari…

> And worse of all in their mozilla IRC channel those guys said writing such things should be left to experts, that people should always use the C libraries with rust.

>It's true security features should be vetted, and cryptography requires expertise, but on the other hand look at Go. They wrote a lot of their own cryptography code in go, and it seems to work pretty damn well.

The issue here is that people who try to roll their own cryptography solution fail at it and introduce insecurities on their own almost all of the time. Think about the amount of bugs in any reasonably complex solution that the layman comes up with. Now imagine what happens when you set the layman off to implement a solution to a problem already solved by experts that can totally destroy your business if not written perfectly.

If we wrote our own cryptographic algorithms for HIPAA compliance where I'm at, I'm pretty sure we'd eventually have to shut down the company due to mass violations due to improperly implemented complex algorithms.

Re: Poll: What are your liked and disliked programming languages?

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Post by wslh »

V-2 wrote: post #62
wslh wrote: post #57

I like C# more than Java because: - The .NET Framework is a straightforward way to solve a problem vs pattern oriented solutions. This is not about the programming language itself but how the people in that community think about a problem - C# evolved more than Java and it was more pragmatic. There are no operators in Java. - I really like the diversity and maturity of third party Java libs. That's why I use IKVM whe…

Collections in Java are awful. Guava helps a bit, but it's still poor man's substitute. No LINQ, no lambdas (and the upcoming Java streams API is ugly as well), no delegates, no events. Verbosity. C# is a very nice language, only WPF sucks big time.

I forgot LINQ! I think nobody is using WPF for new project? I like that UI application feels native in C#/Windows.

Re: Poll: What are your liked and disliked programming languages?

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Post by throwaway_yy2Di »

omni wrote: post #68
throwaway_yy2Di wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The syntax is broken. Things like operator precedence and associativity are the exact opposite of math conventions: f x + f y // is f(x + f(y)) f g x // is f(g(x))

I don't understand what's wrong with the second example. What do you think it should do?

In ML-family languages like OCaml and Haskell, function application is left-associative: f g x = (f g)(x).
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