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Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Post by prmph »

lelanthran wrote: post #209
vintagedave wrote: post #188

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For me it's speed. I used FireFox for the same reasons, for years. Every time I started Chrome, it was a breath of fresh air. Everything was just slightly faster to react, to switch tabs, to scroll, to interact. I kept reading posts about how the FireFox team was increasing performance, yet it never seemed to really impact it. Maybe because I often have several windows with a dozen tabs each (yes, one of those people…

> Every time I started Chrome, it was a breath of fresh air. Everything was just slightly faster to react, to switch tabs, to scroll, to interact. Well, with unblockable ads coming to Chrome, that will no longer be true. There is no world in which browsing on Chrome with ads is faster than browsing on Firefox without ads. > Is it any better? Does anyone know, for real, not a marketing blog post? Well, since moving fr…

I really don't think so. Firefox performance is really that bad. I sadly had to stop using it.

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Post by alphabeta3r56 »

prmph wrote: post #299
chinathrow wrote: post #23

Look, we're having a good time on Firefox since November 9, 2004. Come join us!

Firefox and Firefox-derivative browsers have and continue to be seriously sluggish and memory and energy hogs. This should not be swept under the rug. Even today it is difficult for me to use Firefox, Mullvad, etc. When I used to use them, almost every time my machine became slow the solution was to kill Firefox. EDIT: It's true folks, I would love to be able to use Firefox as my primary browser. But all my experienc…

Firefox is only sluggish because Chrome uses your data to prefetch pages.

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Post by kllrnohj »

prmph wrote: post #299
chinathrow wrote: post #23

Look, we're having a good time on Firefox since November 9, 2004. Come join us!

Firefox and Firefox-derivative browsers have and continue to be seriously sluggish and memory and energy hogs. This should not be swept under the rug. Even today it is difficult for me to use Firefox, Mullvad, etc. When I used to use them, almost every time my machine became slow the solution was to kill Firefox. EDIT: It's true folks, I would love to be able to use Firefox as my primary browser. But all my experienc…

I use Firefox mobile pretty much exclusively. I haven't noticed any meaningful performance difference between it & Chrome. It also seems to perform fine on my Fedora laptop.

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Post by mrhottakes »

doublerabbit wrote: post #172
close04 wrote: post #147

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> Google, being an ad giant Isn't Google also a cloud giant?

I wouldn't say so. They're not offering their cloud at the same scale other competitors. Not sure when the last was I saw advertising for unlike AWS, Azure. Felt more like their cloud services were more of a side product for when "the cloud" was the trendy buzzword and a way to justify their infrastructure costs. That and keeping a leg in the egg & spoon race.

So your conclusion is based on advertising that you personally have noticed / haven't noticed?

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

gblargg wrote: post #294
EasyMark wrote: post #279

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Yeah not sure what they're talking about, that's how I do it too

I just tested and apparently their site is extremely flaky. I tried for several minutes to get info but nothing except one time (changing store location, refreshing). Then it started working fine for a while, updating when I changed location. I cleared cookies out each time and that didn't cause/fix it. So it's not intentional to push you to the app, just a shit site (not just because of this issue, but its extreme s…

It doesn't have to be a deliberate decision by upper management with the express purpose of pushing you towards the app. That's quite unlikely, some flunky would have anonymously published the email or memo dictating that policy were it so.

But in the same way that an individual human might do something with a subconscious purpose and plausibly claim they weren't aware that's why they were doing the thing, so too can a organized group of people do something when it suits their collective purpose. The group drifts into a behavior which is advantageous, someone in upper management is pleased with it even though the drift wasn't steered, and encourages more of the same. As that process iterates, it becomes clear why they go in that direction all without some Senior VP telling everyone at a department-wide meeting to go in that direction.

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Post by tartoran »

account42 wrote: post #221
Freak_NL wrote: post #80

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The classic 'those guys did something bad, so I am going to go with the guys who are absolute assholes doing several orders of magnitude more bad things now instead' response. That usually means that whoever utters it was just looking for a sycophantic excuse to go with the bigger threat because it is more convenient to them (for now).

Not at all. Firefox is a trap to keep motivated people from banding together to create a real user-respecting alternative.

As a user at least I have an option to use ublock origin extension in Firefox. So I'm somewhat grateful I can still browse the net peacefully and safely.

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Post by emaro »

charcircuit wrote: post #88
28304283409234 wrote: post #61

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Let's not exchange crap behaviour. I think google would win hands down. Firefox at least has adblocking.

No it doesn't. Unlike Brave, Firefox needs an extension to block ads just like Chrome.

Yes, though it has the most powerful and customizable adblocker available.

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Post by TingPing »

red_alpacalypse wrote: post #269
yannicklesuisse wrote: post #246

PM of Orion here. Orion ( https://orionbrowser.com ) is a WebKit-based browser for Mac, Linux, iPadOS and iOS that supports both Chrome and Firefox extensions natively ⟩ including uBlock Origin. We have no plans to drop extension support. Content blocking is a feature, not a loophole, and we think users should have full control over what runs in their browser.

While you can install the Firefox uBlock Origin extension in Orion on iOS, it doesn't block any ads. This has been reported for some time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43203237 Could you please clarify?

They can’t modify webkit on ios. They also don’t appear to contribute upstream. So it’s just not supported.

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Post by prmph »

alphabeta3r56 wrote: post #312
prmph wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox and Firefox-derivative browsers have and continue to be seriously sluggish and memory and energy hogs. This should not be swept under the rug. Even today it is difficult for me to use Firefox, Mullvad, etc. When I used to use them, almost every time my machine became slow the solution was to kill Firefox. EDIT: It's true folks, I would love to be able to use Firefox as my primary browser. But all my experienc…

Firefox is only sluggish because Chrome uses your data to prefetch pages.

This does not make sense. Firefox would be taking minutes to open a page that Chrome opens within a second or two. And if Chrome was doing aggressive pre-fetching, then it should be using more memory, no? And yet the opposite is the case.

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Post by tartoran »

qweqwe14 wrote: post #210
lelanthran wrote: post #184

Good! Give everyone the push they need to break the web homogeny of Chrome everywhere. I'm tired of all the (mostly technical) people whining that they need Chrome, and only Chrome can browse the internet. Then you ask them for a site that doesn't work and conveniently "it was some time back and I don't remember the details". I've been using FF since before it was called Firefox. In the last 10 years I've not come ac…

No. You do realize that people have stuff to do and want their browser to be both 1) fast and 2) compatible with all websites? Firefox is slower than Chromium, and always will have some compatibility issues, because all websites are made with Chromium in mind. You can pretend all you want that "well ackshually standards exist and all website makers should use things from the standard", but it's not realistic, everyon…

I'll take slower and safer anytime over the jungle of ads and the dangers it exposes users to. If something doesn't work properly on FF I open up Chrome, use the site and then close it.

And to be honest FF is working fine for me, haven't run into anything too slow to my taste so far.

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