Pretty incredible just how much good will Anthropic managed to burn.
Are they really burning good will? For many users this is a deal breaker. But for the general public, politicians, etc they’re stamping “safety” on their brand.
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Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos
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#312My bet is that Anthropic will be exposed as openly evil within the next five years--even if they aren't even secretly evil now. That's the arc of the sociopathic corporate brain, every time.
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#313Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos
#314It is actually worse than that. It is at least 30 days. There is an "almost" that is doing a ton of heavy lifting here "deletion after 30 days in almost all cases". My read of that is they can hang onto data for as long as they want, even if they usually won't. And "all traffic" with an agentic harness is basically your entire codebase you work on. > We will require 30-day retention for all traffic on Mythos-class mo…
They seemed to have changed the wording since you posted the comment, now specifying exactly 30 days with seemingly no exceptions. These terms seem to be updated at-will, so I'll take that with a grain of salt however.
Yep. They changed the terms, which needs legal review in my org, but the Fable model was available immediately, so of COURSE people have to go and flock to it to see how much better it is. Amazing how easy it is to spend five figures on demand and have very little to show for it; meanwhile when I want to buy a piece of enterprise software for 40-50k/year I have to spend weeks or months building the case, providing justification for ROI etc.
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#315Earlier quoted context omitted.
They seemed to have changed the wording since you posted the comment, now specifying exactly 30 days with seemingly no exceptions. These terms seem to be updated at-will, so I'll take that with a grain of salt however.
Yep. They changed the terms, which needs legal review in my org, but the Fable model was available immediately, so of COURSE people have to go and flock to it to see how much better it is. Amazing how easy it is to spend five figures on demand and have very little to show for it; meanwhile when I want to buy a piece of enterprise software for 40-50k/year I have to spend weeks or months building the case, providing ju…
Do you know where I can find it before and after of the terms? To me it looks like the same as it was.
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#316am I correct that you basically cannot comply with HIPAA in this case, even if you had a BAA with Anthropic?
I'm new to the whole governance / compliance thing and wondering like even if you use a HIPAA compliant tool like Bedrock to serve up your inference in your VPC, this sort of puts you in a dangerous legal spot?
it seems like the data retention, even if it's metadata and they promise not to log the actual full logline, messes you up here since it's leaving your autonomous system
Also what about things like GH copilot using an anthropic model as the backend? This feels like a mess with chained data agreements
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#317Earlier quoted context omitted.
Claude code is actually very good at not reading your keys these days.
Not the case for me. I tried .envs, ansible-vault and sops, and it always ends up reading the unencrypted ones for some reason, usually in debugging sessions, it finds a way to read them.
Well it reads them, but (at least for me) it reads them in a way where it filters out the actual key values.
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#318Earlier quoted context omitted.
This may surprise the cohort on hacker news but there are large amounts of people on this planet that value things beyond money like ethics or having principles. Excusing absolutely repugnant behavior because of money to be made is so deeply antihuman, but then again most people working at LLM companies are deeply antihuman to start with.
> but then again most people working at LLM companies are deeply antihuman to start with. I agreed with you up til this point, but this isn’t true and isn’t called for, and doesn’t strengthen your otherwise good point, in fact it weakens your point to make statements like that. Most people who work at LLM companies, like most people who work at most companies, are making a living and have the same ethics and principl…
Really? They can't get any other tech jobs? They have to work for AI companies? Give me a break
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#319Earlier quoted context omitted.
people over-rate how much software/IP is useful in running a successful business. There are genuinely very few IP in this world that needs to be protected. Everyone else is running stupid CRUD apps They also over index fear of LargeCo stealing IP from SmallCo. In fact, LargeCo is typically more scared about even the possibility of any product team looking at competitor internals due to lawsuits.
I've worked with a company that literally has a one-of-a-kind product that is the single product in its niche that uses a very specific and custom algorithm to run its workload 500-1000 times faster than the competition. Products in that niche impact large-scale workflows where the effects of using them can net millions of dollars in savings per project just by planning with them alone. I learned after my contract wi…
Goodbye tradesecret!
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#320Given the model intelligence plateau and public data exhaustion the only way to improve in customer use cases is by training the model on customer data.
If this is true, than Anthropic, Google and maybe OpenAI models will keep getting better and better and everyone else will be left in the dust - as they won't have access to so much customer data.
Thers no way to not leak customer data if they try to train a bigger foundation model.