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Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by fakedang »

stymaar wrote: post #292
Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #193

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How can you say this as if supporting Dario is any better. At the top level of anything there is almost no such thing as a non-asshole. None of them care genuinely about you they just want your money.

> At the top level of anything there is almost no such thing as a non-asshole. There's only one Gabe. > None of them care genuinely about you they just want your money. It's worse than this. Billionaire entrepreneurs aren't funds manager, they don't just want money, they have a twisted sense of “being the good guy” driving humanity forward against its will.

Reminds me of Mike Prince in Billions. God that guy was insufferable, just like the rest of today's broligarchy.

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jnovek wrote: post #227
amazingamazing wrote: post #209

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I am not sure why the past matters here. I am talking about now, it is a fast moving space. As for the test, of course the output matters. Take image models for example. Differences are clear as day. Should the fact that OpenAI existed before Anthropic did at all matter? No, imo. I would have used opus 4.8, but it only just came out- fast moving space

Correct output is table stakes. Your test only shows that the products work as advertised, it doesn’t reveal reasons why people prefer one to the other. You’re guessing that it’s a result of advertising, and I agree that that’s probably a component, but it’s a mistake to assume that they are interchangeable when you have people saying to you directly “I use both and they’re not.”

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Post by rapind »

jodison wrote: post #291
rapind wrote: post #270

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I think frontier models are bait now. I prefer a fast, less thoughtful model that adhere's to instructions. The code these latest models produce is often hot garbage and you still need to micro-manage. Fast with small chunks is better.

I’m curious what models you prefer given this criteria.

I've been messing with DS4 flash. It's very fast and has 1m context. Downside is it's probably not great for private codebases (at least not when hosted by DeepSeek) and it's also not great at sticking to instructions if the task is too large / long though. I expect it will improve over time with better tooling and cache usage.

I basically have it load up a bunch of relevant context and give it small chunks of work in the same session over time (not like a fire and forget subagent). It's working fairly well. Bonus is I still feel like I'm part of the process instead of watching youtube videos while Opus / GPT vibe code a bunch of slop.

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Post by rzmmm »

tedggh wrote: post #86

At this point I think it’s more important to have a solid workflow and understanding of how [insert your favorite model here] works and its capabilities, than chasing the next shinny release jumping back and forth between companies. I just finished my first large project with Codex and it is hard for me to believe Claude can be much better. It may be a bit better or worse, but again, they are all so good now that the…

> jumping back and forth between companies

There is currently quite strong incentive to establish vendor lock-in for Anthropic and OpenAI. I see the ability to jump between companies quite important, especially for larger users. Right now it should not be hard but it can be much harder in the future.

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echelon wrote: post #297
stymaar wrote: post #292

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> At the top level of anything there is almost no such thing as a non-asshole. There's only one Gabe. > None of them care genuinely about you they just want your money. It's worse than this. Billionaire entrepreneurs aren't funds manager, they don't just want money, they have a twisted sense of “being the good guy” driving humanity forward against its will.

> driving humanity forward against its will. I want this technology! You don't speak for all of us. I'm sick of techo-Luddism. I'm sick of complaints about water use in a world that has avocados, beef, and fabric dyes. I'm sick of complaints about power use when you have your air conditioners, winter heat, air travel, and gaming PCs. I'm sick of artists saying AI image and video sucks. I'm sick of pretend artists, ar…

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Post by afzalive »

echelon wrote: post #297
stymaar wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At the top level of anything there is almost no such thing as a non-asshole. There's only one Gabe. > None of them care genuinely about you they just want your money. It's worse than this. Billionaire entrepreneurs aren't funds manager, they don't just want money, they have a twisted sense of “being the good guy” driving humanity forward against its will.

> driving humanity forward against its will. I want this technology! You don't speak for all of us. I'm sick of techo-Luddism. I'm sick of complaints about water use in a world that has avocados, beef, and fabric dyes. I'm sick of complaints about power use when you have your air conditioners, winter heat, air travel, and gaming PCs. I'm sick of artists saying AI image and video sucks. I'm sick of pretend artists, ar…

None of these billionaires are going to lead you to the dreams of the future that you have.

And don't forget the negative effects on other people, otherwise that's just selfish.

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Post by notnullorvoid »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #103
amazingamazing wrote: post #10

I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

I don't think that's the only reason but you're spot on about OpenAI marketing being absolutely terrible. The primary product names of "Claude" vs "ChatGPT" highlights this remarkable difference. To the point where I'm seeing Claude completely take over the generic term for agent. I do think OpenAI is doomed due to bad leadership. What you said (that the marketing is relatively terrible) and what others are saying he…

The marketing of Claude relies primarily on fear, and I don't think that will have lasting success. Using fear like that tends to backfire once people see past false taking points.

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Post by fakedang »

hnthrow0287345 wrote: post #286
ctvo wrote: post #104

I think Sam Altman is an asshole and I prefer to spend my money elsewhere. Frontier models being commoditize is inevitable. OpenAI thinks they're still competing on technology, and not user experience and market reputation otherwise they'd understand the continuous negative PR generated by Altman's chaos is going to cost them everything.

>I think Sam Altman is an asshole and I prefer to spend my money elsewhere. That's why he chose the OpenAI logo

And the Anthropic logo is a subtle reminder to stuff that ejected out of OpenAI.
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