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Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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It does produce a local Wi-Fi network but there's no evidence that it supports internet communication. That would be considered a hotspot, which not all carriers even support.

I've never understood how this can be limited in practice: surely as far as the carrier is concerned, all traffic from the mobile device is the same (unless there are identifiers on the traffic coming from hotspotted devices via the mobile device). Here in Australia we've never had any form of hotspot detection/segmentation - if you have a data plan, all data features work (across all carriers). I do recall lots of o…

On android, there is an OS-level feature that checks the cell tower to verify if you're allowed to create a hotspot. It runs whenever you try to enable the hotspot feature. On rooted systems, you can disable this check. There are also apps that let you run a hotspot without using the OS feature, bypassing the check.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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I was looking into this with Teslas. Apparently the car will not be bricked if you cut the antenna wires. They are in the side mirrors (both sides) and the wires are exposed when you pull the interior door panels. If you then charge only at home you’re even more private than gas cars, which must stop at gas stations with cameras. But both types of vehicles are easily spotted with Flock cameras. And if you keep your p…

>Gas stations with cameras. Everything has cameras these days. On my street almost every house has a cloud connected camera. Every major road has cameras, every store and business. Now I’m not suggesting we give up the fight for privacy but avoiding gas stations does nothing

Difference is most of those things you mention overwrite their data in a few days or weeks. Even doorbell cameras, no one's stuff is being stored indefinitely.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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The main problem I had with it is the fact it requires an app in the first place. Once they have an app on your phone, they have access to so much data. The app by nature of the functions it performs will need GPS, Bluetooth, and Contacts at a minimum. Once they have that access, there's nothing stopping them from using it for whatever they want. That's just absolutely not something I'm willing to give a car app. Do…

There's no app requirement to use the car, only the app features.

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Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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The main problem I had with it is the fact it requires an app in the first place. Once they have an app on your phone, they have access to so much data. The app by nature of the functions it performs will need GPS, Bluetooth, and Contacts at a minimum. Once they have that access, there's nothing stopping them from using it for whatever they want. That's just absolutely not something I'm willing to give a car app. Do…

There's no app requirement to use the car, only the app features.

wow, did you read too much into that one my friend. of course it's not needed for using the car. it's needed to use the in dash mapping feature.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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The car probably doesn't have perfect knowledge of speed limits across Europe.

Why wouldn’t they? Dataset is readily available for most places. Pull local on entry to jurisdiction on every drive…

Have you ever actually worked with geodata in depth? It's a wall-to-wall nightmare.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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I cannot imagine the paranoia that it would take for me to go through this process.

Get a determined ex-partner who knows a lot about you and wants to harm you or kidnap your children. For most people this represents the greatest immediate risk with this kind of data.

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Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Can't do that in Fr*nce and likely other European countries, all vehicles must have eCall and your vechicle might not pass the mandatory routine check you need to do once in a while to be allowed on the road. Hope you like biking a lot.

There's going to be a lot of value in keeping cars from 5-10+ years ago around indefinitely.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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post #273

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I've never understood how this can be limited in practice: surely as far as the carrier is concerned, all traffic from the mobile device is the same (unless there are identifiers on the traffic coming from hotspotted devices via the mobile device). Here in Australia we've never had any form of hotspot detection/segmentation - if you have a data plan, all data features work (across all carriers). I do recall lots of o…

Your phone voluntarily tags the hotspot data with specific TTL values which carriers use to segment the data. Not all carriers work the same though.

Super easy to spoof too.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never understood how this can be limited in practice: surely as far as the carrier is concerned, all traffic from the mobile device is the same (unless there are identifiers on the traffic coming from hotspotted devices via the mobile device). Here in Australia we've never had any form of hotspot detection/segmentation - if you have a data plan, all data features work (across all carriers). I do recall lots of o…

Your phone voluntarily tags the hotspot data with specific TTL values which carriers use to segment the data. Not all carriers work the same though.

Voluntarily tags specific TTL values much like your home router does. Some providers assign a different IP to hotspot users.
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