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Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by johnbarron »

mitchellh wrote: post #26

I know this is ridiculously dramatic, but its the truth: I actually cried writing this blog post (tears hit my keyboard, I'm embarrassed to say). Nobody should cry over a SaaS, of all things. But GitHub has meant so much more to me than that (all laid out in the post). I have an unhealthy relationship with it. Its given me so much and I'm so thankful for it. But, it's not what it used to be. I don't know. We've been…

This post reminds me of Linus video on Git, calling Subversion the most stupid project because it was.... Centralized. ;-)

"Tech Talk: Linus Torvalds on git" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8

"I'm not going to force you to switch over to decentralized, I'm just going to call you ugly and stupid. That's the deal."

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by sho_hn »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #161
latexr wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://xcancel.com/mitchellh/status/2036866220449030168

The big idea is all agentic interactions should critically rely on GitHub APIs. Code review should be agentic but the labs should be building that into GH (not bolted in through GHA like today, real first class platform primitives). GH should absolutely launch an agent chat primitive, agent mailboxes are obviously good. Etc. GH should be a platform and not an agent itself. Why do I want that running on somebody else'…

This sounds like massive centralization on GitHub and super ugly product coupling, instead of rolling open standards. I'm now glad Mitchell doesn't run GitHub.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by muragekibicho »

OP takes issue with GitHub's constant outages and alludes to agents (and Copilot bloat) as the primary cause.

Lots of big services are like this. Google Colab's 'Connect to Drive' is down as we speak. I'm up right now because I know my Runpod VM in Kentucky is going to die rather abruptly and I'll need to manually get it up.

Everything has its flaws.

Microsoft lets you host your code, websites and media for free and

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by layer8 »

fragmede wrote: post #211
mamcx wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that Github does a lot . However, I consider that there is still not a great UI for the core service, in special for a complex project. In the other hand, I bet jujutsu has the best basic take, and is still missing a good forge.

Unfortunately, naming things is hard, and JujitsuHub just doesn't roll off the tongue the same way that GitHub does. jjhub? forgesu?

JujutsuJunction (Ju³), obviously.

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Post by valleyer »

pyb wrote: post #188
tedivm wrote: post #8

It really has been remarkable watching GitHub just crumble as an organization. There's a lot of discussion about why: the switch from being independent to being part of Microsoft, having resources pushed to Copilot instead of core service, the organization structure itself, a reliance on vibe coding, etc etc. Regardless of the reason, it's undeniable that GitHub is facing some serious issues. The unofficial status pa…

They are mostly blaming their shift to vibe coding for their problems. https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/an-update-on-...

Hm. I read that as saying that their users are writing more code with the assistance of LLMs, thus placing more stress on their systems. I do not read it as making any comment about their own practices.

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Post by dannyfritz07 »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #36

I can appreciate Hashimoto's genuine feelings about Github, and the world of open-source software development that it opened for him and that he spent a significant chunk of his life participating in. On the other hand, I can't help but think that some of this heartbreak would have been avoidable, if only he possessed more of the Richard-Stallman-esque attitude that non-free software is inherently suspect and unethic…

I have had my eye on these technologies for a while. Embedding the issue tracker and such in your git repo. Every day these make more and more sense.

- https://gitsocial.org/

- https://radicle.dev/

- https://github.com/git-bug/git-bug

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by zoogeny »

If I was OpenAI / Anthropic, I would see this as a massive opportunity.

I mean, why wouldn't you want to consolidate git repos, a heroku/fly.io/vercel like container system and direct access to web-based coding tools. They have the coding models and agents, slap a web interface over Claude Code running in a container, allow for commits and deploys. Control the entire stack.

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Post by koolala »

jenadine wrote: post #295
koolala wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

God would cry too if they saw the world they created. Let the salty tears flow

So far everything is going according to the plan. Humans are really close to make the AI that will replace them and enter into the next phase of the plan. Or do you have a better idea of what the plan exactly is?

You mean the AI that might fail and suck every last ounce of entropy or life out the planet and sufficate it? Have you seen the insane amount of natural gas being burned to power it? Obviously I'd love if AI solved its own energy crisis but that hasn't even begun to happen yet. You think it will invent cold fusion? Room temp super conductors? Solar cells past our theoretical limits? Do you realize it's literally being controlled by human greed?

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by margalabargala »

idan wrote: post #96
mitchellh wrote: post #26

I know this is ridiculously dramatic, but its the truth: I actually cried writing this blog post (tears hit my keyboard, I'm embarrassed to say). Nobody should cry over a SaaS, of all things. But GitHub has meant so much more to me than that (all laid out in the post). I have an unhealthy relationship with it. Its given me so much and I'm so thankful for it. But, it's not what it used to be. I don't know. We've been…

Hi there! Longtime fan and hubber here. It's okay to have emotions. I have similar emotions. I'm GitHub User 22723 which is effectively the same as you (considering there's ~180m GH accounts nowadays) My version of your post reads differently: "GitHub only gets better if people who give a shit stick around to make it better" Walking away would be easy. I felt that way when I left Heroku ~six years ago. I left that jo…

> "GitHub only gets better if people who give a shit stick around to make it better"

This is true but misleading. Unfortunately.

It is a true statement for developers working in GitHub at Microsoft. It's not a true statement for users.

There is no avenue by which you make GitHub better by continuing to use it as it has been.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by caymanjim »

You're not alone. At my company, we're now making plans to self-host our Git and CICD. I probably can't sell them on Gitea+Drone or Forgejo or another open-source solution (even though it'd suit us well), but we're still going to find a solution that isn't dependent on someone else's platform not sucking.
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