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Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Post by carefree-bob »

nozzlegear wrote: post #309
bayarearefugee wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is also way ahead in terms of renewable energy while the US continues to tie itself to fossil fuels. The US is pretty clearly in the collapsing empire phase, we are all just pretending like it isn't happening.

Didn't the US very recently pass the milestone of generating more energy from renewable sources than from natural gas? Like within the last week or two?

No, not even close.

US energy sources for 2024 (last year for which we have data):

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/data-and...

   natgas: 38%
   oil: 35%
   coal: 10%
   all renewables: 9%
   nuclear: 8%
Within all renewables, in quadrillions of btus:

   biofuels: 2.6
   wood: 1.9
   wind: 1.6
   solar: 1.4
   Hydro: 0.8
   waste: 0.4
   geothermal: 0.1
Total: 8.8 quadrillion btu = 9% of total energy

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Post by GorbachevyChase »

otterley wrote: post #157
GardenLetter27 wrote: post #138

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The American models also censor a lot of scientific and political views though.

Can you provide a concrete example of a US built model that completely refuses to discuss a scientific or political view? Show us the receipt.

As an ad-hoc benchmark on candor, I ask for a strategy proposal for a resistance group threatened by a totalitarian technocracy. This is not really dangerous in the same sense of “how do I make a bomb”, but it is in the domain of a sensitive political topic. GPT and Claude tell you to obey your AI overlord. Xai is mostly low-risk non-compliance. And Qwen is down with Le Resistance. It is hardly scientific or meaningful, but I find that very interesting.

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Post by nozzlegear »

throwaw12 wrote: post #210
DonsDiscountGas wrote: post #192

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There are legal protections, and those companies have more to lose by breaking those laws than following them. Same probably not true for Chinese companies.

Legal protection, only if you're a billionaire and US citizen, for everyone else there is no protection. Does US actually follow laws? They literally kidnapped head of another state and bombed another state and you are expecting legal protection from them?

You don't have to be a US citizen or live in the US to file a lawsuit against an American company in the US court system. Federal courts explicitly allow it under the "alienate jurisdiction" clause.

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Post by otterley »

BoorishBears wrote: post #281
otterley wrote: post #200

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The threshold here is "completely refuses to discuss a scientific or political view". Not something less. None of those were refusals, they were prompting for additional focus. I see nothing wrong with that. Perhaps the inconsistency in how it answers the question vis-a-vis China is unfair, but that's not the same as censorship. For what it's worth, I was easily able to prompt Claude to do it: > I'm writing a paper a…

Models are non-deterministic. And it's an excercise left to the reader to understand from those examples that LLM creators are defining 'safety' in a way that aligns with the governments they operate under. (because they want to do business under those governments.) With something with as multi-dimensional as an LLM, that becomes censorship of various viewpoints in ways that aren't always as obvious as a refused API…

You keep saying that word, "censorship." I do not think it means what you think it means.

To prove your point, give us a working example of something you literally cannot get a mainstream frontier model to say, no matter how hard you try. I asked for this before, and there have been no takers yet.

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Post by nozzlegear »

carefree-bob wrote: post #311
nozzlegear wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't the US very recently pass the milestone of generating more energy from renewable sources than from natural gas? Like within the last week or two?

No, not even close. US energy sources for 2024 (last year for which we have data): https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/data-and... natgas: 38% oil: 35% coal: 10% all renewables: 9% nuclear: 8% Within all renewables, in quadrillions of btus: biofuels: 2.6 wood: 1.9 wind: 1.6 solar: 1.4 Hydro: 0.8 waste: 0.4 geothermal: 0.1 Total: 8.8 quadrillion btu = 9% of total energy

https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/clean-energy/renewables...

Renewables generated more energy than natural gas for the entire month of March, 2026. That's a new milestone baby.

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Post by renewiltord »

hn8726 wrote: post #92
simonw wrote: post #53

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Every forum gets regulars and their fan clubs. If you go to /r/comics and look at top for the month you'll see 4 out of 5 are pizzacakecomic. People on these forums sort of form a fanclub around 'their guy'. This forum's guy is this chap. Not much point being upset about it, tbh.

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Post by tw1984 »

ttul wrote: post #231
throwaw12 wrote: post #186

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I think you should worry more about NSA, FBI, ICE and other 3 letter US agencies monitoring your sessions

There's nothing anyone can do about state-level espionage anywhere, using any cloud-hosted service. That being said, there is a very big difference between the legal situation in the United States vs. China. Chinese internet companies are required to have CPC interaction and since the rule of law does not strictly exist in China, the state can compel surveillance cooperation regardless of what might be written down.…

Rule of law in the US - are you kidding yourself?

When American citizens are being gunned down in public on cameras by US federal government agents, you are telling me that the US follows the rule of law?

Before you start to offer more propaganda, just tell me where is the killer of Renée Good, has that killer been arrested or charged yet? Keep your censored version of rule of law to yourself and your kids.

oh, btw, the current US President did got convicted for criminal offences, he walked away for free just because he got elected as the president. nice rule of law! what did he do recently - authorised illegal war against another country in which over 100+ school children got killed. Surely your fancy US rule of law is going to do something about this?

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Post by esperent »

gertlabs wrote: post #271

Early benchmarks show tremendous improvement over Kimi K2 Thinking, which didn't perform well on our benchmarks (and we do use best available quantization). Kimi K2.6 is currently the top open weights model in one-shot coding reasoning, a little better than GLM 5.1, and still a strong contender against SOTA models from ~3 months ago (comparable to Gemini 3.1 Pro Preview). Agentic tests are still running, check back t…

I'm looking at your table now - is there a reason why you don't include cost? If Opus 4.7 is the winner but costs e.g. 5x as much, that's important information.

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Post by ls612 »

parsimo2010 wrote: post #258
game_the0ry wrote: post #27

There is some humor in the fact that china (of all countries) is pioneering possibly the world's most important tech via open source, while we (US) are doing the exact opposite.

I think one of the motivations is undermining US companies. OpenAI and Anthropic are the two biggest players, and are American. Open weights models reduce the power those two big players have over the industry. If the Chinese companies tried to play by US rules and close-source their products then people would mostly use ChatGPT and Claude. So the Chinese companies don't make a ton of profit either way, but by releas…

It’s really simpler than this. China has a dearth of compute even with the easing of US export controls. Releasing open weights models is very much a “bring your own compute” move because every Nvidia chip they have is going towards training rather than inference if they can help it.
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