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Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by boxedemp »

avaer wrote: post #104
William_BB wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that's indeed a hot take. I am curious what kind of code you write for a living to have an opinion like this.

It's not the code I write, it's what I've noticed from people in 25 years of writing code in the corner. All of my friends who would die before they use AI 2 years ago now call themselves AI/agentic engineers because the money is there. Many of them don't understand a thing about AI or agents, but CC/Codex/Cursor can cover up for a lot. Consequently, if Claude Code/"coding agents" is a hot topic (which it is), people…

Well put, but I don't like it. Though, I've seen this exact pattern multiple times now.

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by olcay_ »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #242
solenoid0937 wrote: post #218

Codex is HN's darling now because Anthropic lowered rate limits for individuals due to compute constraints. OAI has so few enterprise users they can afford to subsidize compute for this group a lot more than Anthropic. Eventually once they have more users they'll do the same thing as Anthropic, of course. It's all a transparent PR play and it's kind of absurd to see the X/HN crowd fall for it hook, line, and sinker.

There was brief consternation when OpenAI swooped in to snatch up those DoD contracts but then the next model released and all is forgiven.

Anthropic coming out to say they won't surveil Americans wasn't actually a positive for me. It meant they're okay with surveilling the rest of the world, which in turn signaled "fuck you, you're inferior, deal with it" to me (as someone from the aforementioned rest of the world).

When OpenAI snatched those contracts, it made me think no worse of OpenAI. The surveillance was already factored into how I saw them (both).

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by ipaddr »

the__alchemist wrote: post #298
solenoid0937 wrote: post #218

Codex is HN's darling now because Anthropic lowered rate limits for individuals due to compute constraints. OAI has so few enterprise users they can afford to subsidize compute for this group a lot more than Anthropic. Eventually once they have more users they'll do the same thing as Anthropic, of course. It's all a transparent PR play and it's kind of absurd to see the X/HN crowd fall for it hook, line, and sinker.

Call it fall for it, but here are my two experiences, with both applications open. ($20/month plan for both) - Claude: Good for ~20 minutes of work once every 4 hours - Codex: Good for however long I want to use it. Claude nerfed their product so that it's not usable, so I use something else.

Wow the 20 dollar Claude plan sounds awful. I use Claude at work which has metered billing and have to carefully not to hit my four figure max cap.

For me $20 a month is more than I want to spend I just use the free tiers. If I use AI in an app or site I use older models mostly chatgpt3.5. The challenge is more fun and it means I can do more like, make more api calls - 100x more.

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by daveguy »

ipaddr wrote: post #300
daveguy wrote: post #290

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> Competition is bad? Who cares - let the big players subsidize and compete between each other. Subsidizing is the opposite of competing. It's literally the practice of underpricing your product to box out competition. If everyone was competing on a level playing field they would all price their products above cost. All these tech oligarch asshat companies need to be regulated to hell and back.

The moat was already too large for smaller players. Let them subsidize. Take from investors and give to us buying me time to beef up my local stack to run local models. For many things now you need to go local and in the future if you want any privacy you'll need to go local.

Excellent point, but I still think the oligarchs have gotten a little monopoly-happy.

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by jorl17 »

xienze wrote: post #304
jorl17 wrote: post #84

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Very much agree. Everyday people can now do much more than they could, because they can build programs. The idea that code is something sacred and only devs can somehow do it is dying, and I personally love it, as I am watching it enable so many of my friends and family who have no idea how to code. Today, when we think of someone "using the computer" we gravitate towards people using apps, installing them, writing d…

> I am watching it enable so many of my friends and family who have no idea how to code. Be careful what you wish for, this is going to be a double edged sword like YouTube is. YouTube allowed regular people without money and industry connections to make all sorts of quality, niche content. But for every bit of great content, there’s 1000 times as much garbage and outright misleading shit. Giving people without any c…

I'm aware, and I'll very much take those odds. This is just another problem for humanity to solve in its quest to empower itself.

I'm not sure how we're going to solve the obviously relevant problem of slop, but I would rather die trying, than restrict access to knowledge and capability because of evil. I believe in the GOOD of humanity. We WILL find a way.

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by irrationalfab »

com2kid wrote: post #243
woeirua wrote: post #194

Just reading the comments here it's amazing how many people seemingly don't know that Claude Desktop and Cowork basically already does all of this. Codex isn't pioneering these features, it's mostly just catching up.

IMHO no one is really pioneering. A lot more is possible than what is being done. I wrote a blog post about useful agents in a business setting ( https://www.generativestorytelling.ai/blog/posts/useful-corp... ) that highlights AI being proactive. I mean table stakes stuff, why isn't an agent going through all my slack channels and giving me a morning summary of what I should be paying attention to? Why aren't all th…

Agreed. It is ironic that in the AI race, the real differentiation may not come from how smart the model is, but from who builds the best application layer on top of it. And that application layer is built with the same kind of software these models are supposed to commoditize.

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by organsnyder »

lxgr wrote: post #287
frank_nitti wrote: post #253

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Interesting to see your observation where I have observed the opposite: posts that share big news about open-weight local models have many upvoted comments arguing local models shouldn’t be taken seriously and promoting the SOTA commercial models as the only viable options for serious developers. Here and on AI tech subreddits (ones that aren’t specifically about local or FOSS) seem to have this dynamic, to the degre…

Both can be true at the same time. I currently wouldn't waste my time with open models for almost all use cases, but they're crucial from a data privacy and competitive perspective, and I can't wait for them to catch up enough to be as useful as the current frontier models.

I've found qwen3 to be very usable on my local machine (a Framework Desktop with 128gb RAM). I doubt it could handle the complex tasks I throw at Claude Opus at work, but it's more than capable of doing a surprising number of tasks, with good performance.

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by ttul »

embirico wrote: post #229
incognito124 wrote: post #35

I swear OpenAI has 2-3 unannounced releases ready to go at any time just so they can steal some thunder from their competitors when they announce something

(I work at OpenAI) Heya, in reality it's more much organic than that. We build stuff, ship it internally, then work crazy hard to quickly ship it externally. When we put something out on a given day, it's usually been in the works and scheduled for a while. One concrete example: to set up a launch like today, where press, influencers, etc, all came out at 10a PT. That's all coordinated well in advance!

So, it's a whole lot more than "YOLO - let's launch this!"

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by the__alchemist »

KronisLV wrote: post #306
the__alchemist wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Call it fall for it, but here are my two experiences, with both applications open. ($20/month plan for both) - Claude: Good for ~20 minutes of work once every 4 hours - Codex: Good for however long I want to use it. Claude nerfed their product so that it's not usable, so I use something else.

I'm on the 100 USD plan with Anthropic, I hit the 5 hour limits about 75% of the time during working hours, but almost never the weekly ones - by the time they're reset I've usually used up between 50% - 75% of the quota. There are periods of more intense usage ofc, but this is the approx. situation I'm in (also it doesn't work on tasks while I'm asleep, because I occasionally like having a look at WIP stuff and inte…

Concur, re the ratio of weekly vs hourly limits: I hit the hourly one much more often than weekly.
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