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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by xracy »

It's wild to me that the first Trump Administration didn't teach this lesson. The "Just Trust me Bro" Foreign policy that has existed clearly only works if the person in power is trustworthy, and you have to carefully investigate any policy that is enforced by "trust". One of the most disappointing failures of the Biden Administration was that they didn't realize this.

The greatest failure of every other country was to get lulled into a false sense of security when the US Gov't shifted back to an at-all trustworthy foreign policy.

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Post by petre »

Yoric wrote: post #242
hintymad wrote: post #195

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In a way, isn't it what the Americans and even the current administration want? We want a strong Europe who is keen on preserving and developing the glorious modern civilization that it created. We want a strong Europe who can build and innovate instead of regulating and fining. In contrast, we certainly don't want see the disastrous joke like Northvolt. We certainly don't want to see the joke that BASF shut down its…

Seen from Europe, the current US administration doesn't want a Europe, end of story. Trump 1.0 already tried to convince EU countries to exit the EU. Trump 2.0 keeps insulting the EU, threatening the EU economically and threatening it militarily. To the point where even most of the far right EU candidates who were betting on being the ${EU COUNTRY} Trump are now doing their best to display how they're very much not T…

Good thing we're not in the US to terrorize us with the ICE.

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Post by mytailorisrich »

softwaredoug wrote: post #303
mytailorisrich wrote: post #298

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Let's not go over the top. The announcement is about a tool developed internally by the French government to use internally, too. This is a very wasteful approach that does not create real competitors to US giants, and it is liable to be cancelled at the next round of cost reduction...

It’s not just this, it’s the arrogant attitude of the administration on tarriffs, Ukraine, and a broad range of topics

And that will change in 3 years or even at the end of this year... A lot is blown out of proportion by the EU itself because it serves its own agenda to expand reach and power.

Realistically there is zero alternative to US tech/online dominance in sight in Europe and the credible competitors are more likely to be Chinese (tiktok, temu, shein, etc.) What is happening is EU politics.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by coffe2mug »

Am4TIfIsER0ppos wrote: post #260
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #249

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India. Today India invited President of EU commission on its republic day & I feel like there are discussions on signing free trade agreement. I was in my car watching it live when I recognized the President of EU commissioner and I was like hey!! I feel like friendly relations of EU and India are definitely on the rise & I have said this previously as well and talked to my other cousins/family who works in Coding an…

I can't wait to see how many indians we are going to be forced to import due to that "free trade deal". They must have looked at how well it went in canada and said among themselves "now that's how you destroy a country we gotta get some of that". [EDIT] Hopefully national politicians get balls, more balls, and tell their MEPs to vote against it like the mercosur deal.

This BS should stop (even if you vote for AfD or National front)

It is so difficult we still to get a working visa into Western EU. The way this is done is by total bureaucratic nature of Ausländerbehörde.

When he was CTO from Netflix, Gaurav Agarwal Could not get a visa to relocate to Germany. (No more with Netflix)

So even of one has > €80K salary and working in Apple or MS hq in Munich it is pain in the arse.

On the other hand this is encouraging people to apply and get passports. I for one would have never naturalised as German if the residence permit was quick and easy.

In summary, there are encouraging people to migrate.

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Post by tdrz »

SirMaster wrote: post #252
jorvi wrote: post #117

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The way out of this hole is by the EU mandating a 5, 10 and 20 year plan for getting off US tech and pivoting to open source. Start with a target small municipality in each country. Switch to SUSE (with a desktop that supports Active Directory), Collabora and what not. Then switch the mail stack. Then the files stack. Etc. Next step is scaling it up to a small city, then a big city, then a province, and finally the w…

Good luck getting the EU off Android and iOS?

There's /e/OS, a fork of Android

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by bigyabai »

tdrz wrote: post #315
SirMaster wrote: post #252

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Good luck getting the EU off Android and iOS?

There's /e/OS, a fork of Android

Also Sailfish, which supports running Android apps: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailfish_OS

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Post by hintymad »

phearnot wrote: post #306
hintymad wrote: post #195

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In a way, isn't it what the Americans and even the current administration want? We want a strong Europe who is keen on preserving and developing the glorious modern civilization that it created. We want a strong Europe who can build and innovate instead of regulating and fining. In contrast, we certainly don't want see the disastrous joke like Northvolt. We certainly don't want to see the joke that BASF shut down its…

> even though Russia's GDP is merely of Guangzhou's Am I missing something? [1] lists Guangzhou’s GDP as 435,746 M USD, while [2] lists Russia’s GDP as 2,173,836 M USD. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_top_Chinese_cities_by_... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomi...

My bad. I meant Guangdong Province

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Post by thibaut_barrere »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #298
softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

Let's not go over the top. The announcement is about a tool developed internally by the French government to use internally, too. This is a very wasteful approach that does not create real competitors to US giants, and it is liable to be cancelled at the next round of cost reduction...

An insider view: there is a major push in a lot of state related team & department at the moment to go “sovereign tooling”. With alternatives for a lot of stuff.

This is not just a corner of the universe, most of us are switching tools at the moment, the trend is definitively big.

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Post by fakedang »

xracy wrote: post #307
softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

At this point I am praying that one of the things pushing back on this administration will be American Companies that have gotten rich on the back of "American Globalism", learning just how much it hurts when the US doesn't do its responsibility to remain Allies with it's nominal Allies. And the EU, Canada, and anyone else who the current US administration is slighting, should absolutely be moving cash hard and fast…

The wheels for the great decoupling have been set though. The companies (which are also persons apparently thanks to the perversions of American law) have made their bed and will have to sleep in it themselves.

Of course, there are huge unrealized opportunities to be had in economic powerhouses such as Belarus, Argentina, Russia, and whichever other member exists in the Board of Peace.

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Post by appointment »

SoftTalker wrote: post #180
jetbalsa wrote: post #106

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Not to get too much into a debate about Beta vs VHS, but VHS did have longer run times and its cheapness was the main reason it won, It just fit better for the consumer overall desires at the time

Exactly. It's about whose definition of "better" you use. Sony thought that a better picture would win out, and it did where that mattered: TV studios and video-journalists used Betamax until digital formats took over. For consumers, "better" meant cheaper tapes and longer run time. JVC also licensed the VHS format to many manufacturers, so there was a lot of competition on recorders, further driving the price of own…

Pro TV used Betacam, not Betamax. Same physical tape, but four instead of two tape heads and a much faster tape speed.
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