ISPs are the worst. Currently I use Telekom's 5G for my home internet connection in Hungary as Telekom is the only company who has a cable in my street, but they refused to sell me wired internet due to the hole they use to take their underground cable up to the houses being already over capacity (it turns out this "hole" serves like the entire street with cables being run across everyone's attic...). I previously us…
Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet
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#312Earlier quoted context omitted.
Blocking port 25 is perfectly reasonable. There are no sane and legitimate reasons for running an SMTP server on a residential connection. Even most server providers will block it unless you give them some very good reasons. Blocking 53 is just weird though.
Define "residential connection". There is no such thing. A connection to the internet should be equal to any other connection to the internet, modulo BGP peering. Noone has a right to dictate what services I run or don't run, what protocols I speak or don't speak, what traffic I accept or deny, but *me*. That's the whole point of being on the internet rather than Prodigy or Compuserve or something. The physical locat…
It's not your connection. It's your ISPs. They are also their IPs.
> Noone has a right to dictate what services I run or don't run, what protocols I speak or don't speak, what traffic I accept or deny, but me. That's the whole point of being on the internet rather than Prodigy or Compuserve or something.
Then become your own ISP. Get an ASN (easy), acquire your own IPv4 and IPv6 space (also easy, but v4 is expensive), get a commercial connection that'll allow for BGP, and go ahead, do whatever you want with your IP addresses.
> The physical location of that connection is irrelevant.
It's not about the physical location, it's about who's IP addresses are you using. If they are not yours, the service provider has every right to restrict what you do with them.
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>I don't think Germans realize just how much DTAG is holding the experience back for end users The ones not on HN probably just notice that their internet is getting slow after 5 p.m Trust me, I know how much they suck and I still had to enter a 2-year contract just to get fiber optics in my house.
I thought I was crazy for thinking that Reddit LinkedIn and half of the internet becomes unusable past 6pm.. now I know why
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> They block ports on dynamic IPs, but if you pay +2€/mo for static, this is unlocked. This seems reasonable. Why does that seem reasonable to you? Why should dynamic IPs not be able to receive incoming connections? It costs them nothing to let those packets through. > disingenuous Bad. > Would you also say your mobile phone operator is violating net neutrality by putting you behind CGNAT that you can't forward arbit…
Firstly, dynamic IPs are quickly reused, so if one customer get an IP onto a bunch of firewall blocklists because they were operating services that got exploited (like an open relay for spam, email backscatter generator, dns that was used for amplification, smb that hosted on-click executable windows malware...), this means some random unrelatimg customer will now have problems with their internet connection. After a…
Define quickly? My modem stays attached on the same IP for months at a time.
> so if one customer get an IP onto a bunch of firewall blocklists
That can happen anyway! Most of those are based on outgoing connections!
> a bunch of other angry customers as well as beg all the firewall vendors to unblock those IPs
Does this happen today on the huge number of ISPs that let you open ports on a dynamic IP? I'm not aware of it.
> we need to keep in mind net neutrality was not written for selfhosters
Well I'm not really focused on the idea of net neutrality, just whether it's reasonable to make customers unconnectable, and I say it's not reasonable.
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I thought I was crazy for thinking that Reddit LinkedIn and half of the internet becomes unusable past 6pm.. now I know why
Cloudflare has a speed test. Try comparing it to other speed tests around the same time. Should reveal if Dtag is congested/throttling your traffic to Cloudflare sites vs others. https://speed.cloudflare.com/
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For me the issue would be that they mandate the user traffic to be vlan tagged but their modem only exports 1000BASE-T so it's physically impossible for me to get the full gigabit of Internet they sold me.
They most probably sold you 'up to 1 Gb' bandwidth, not just '1 Gb'. Overhead is about the same in these cases. Your losses are negligible. It's more painful having 4-5 (on worst time periods/peers) or 6-7 (on best) of the 'up to 10 Gb' (clearly sold as such) fiber access I have.
Sure, due to the shared medium nature they do not promise to always have even particularly close to a full gigabit available for me, but that's documented according to the 3 residential internet SLA thresholds the BNetzA (Germany's FCC; except they also regulate power and gas grid) defines and that a provider has to cough up numbers in an info sheet at the time of sale.
The issue is that if they are physically incapable of delivering the up-to they sell and it's not due to the unpredictable nature of e.g. radio reception strength or POTS wiring quality (ADSL), this very quickly very strongly reeks of fraud. Even just a little bit is fraud, just as systematically under-delivering e.g. gasoline would be. Think if you bought that in cans and they say they're e.g. 5 gallon (or 20 liter) each, and at nominal temperature, none of the cans you can actually find for sale end up having the full quantity, always being at least an ounce (~30ml) short.
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In Germany it's wrong.
How does it work in Germany?
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Your by law allowed to chose your own hardware.
And do they exert any control over the software and configuration on it? That was kinda the crux of it after all.
They do however have the right to mandate certain configuration parameters just how they are allowed to mandate you connect something that isn't a noise generator to e.g. a cable TV outlet. Well, being able to limit you to connect devices that conform to some spec.
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Do 1&1 customers get CGNAT or a native v4 address? I have had issues with the AFTR's port mapping tables running full when I was on Unitymedia coax.
They switched me to CGNAT in my last speed upgrade, but I wrote to them about it and they moved me to native v4 straight away. Their service is good on a technical level but they have the most aggressive and obnoxious sales reps. They scammed me twice with open lies on the phone (probably abusing also the fact that german is not my mother tongue) and had to fight for ages with their customer service later to get the…
DT called me on phone over and over again, so much that I had to block them on my FritzBox. Several times they even knocked at my door.
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#320Commenting from my alt to avoid doxxing myself. Have spent over a decade in various 'large' streaming video companies, the ones you absolutely know about today. DTAG is bar none the worst ISP to work with. Everything they do is politics, they may decide to 'forget' to increase the bandwidth on a PNI until you take a meeting with german regulators. Almost every other ISP views PNI as the best way to uphold customer sa…
Unfortunately, it's not just DTAG but all Internet providers are overpriced crap here.
Insane pings, excellent peering, giving a totally different internet experience from the mainstream ones.