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Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by the8472 »

lwde wrote: post #123
dzogchen wrote: post #17

I unfortunetely have Deutsche Telekom as my ISP and I can confirm that in the evening websites that use Cloudflare have a latency of one minute or simply do not load at all. I don’t understand why anyone that serves the German market would use Cloudflare. Regardless of who is at fault, you are losing a lot of customers that way.

Just switch to 1und1 with good peering (:

Do 1&1 customers get CGNAT or a native v4 address? I have had issues with the AFTR's port mapping tables running full when I was on Unitymedia coax.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by daneel_w »

sgjohnson wrote: post #139
jesprenj wrote: post #137

Slovenian ISP T-2.net also violates local network neutrality laws here by requiring customers to pay extra to unblock some special TCP ports, like 25 and 53, meaning they block selfhosting email and dns servers without additional payment. I filed a complaint to the national regulator AKOS. They first responded with agreeing with me, but nothing was fixed for many months, and upon emailing the regulator again, I recei…

Blocking port 25 is perfectly reasonable. There are no sane and legitimate reasons for running an SMTP server on a residential connection. Even most server providers will block it unless you give them some very good reasons. Blocking 53 is just weird though.

I'm not sure you read the OP's comment in full. They are talking about inbound traffic from the Internet. It's certainly a lot more common a case to self-host an MX than running an open DNS resolver or authorative name server.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by direwolf20 »

franga2000 wrote: post #149
jesprenj wrote: post #137

Slovenian ISP T-2.net also violates local network neutrality laws here by requiring customers to pay extra to unblock some special TCP ports, like 25 and 53, meaning they block selfhosting email and dns servers without additional payment. I filed a complaint to the national regulator AKOS. They first responded with agreeing with me, but nothing was fixed for many months, and upon emailing the regulator again, I recei…

Calling this "paying to unlock ports" is disingenuous. I'm also a T-2 customer and have run into this before. They block ports on dynamic IPs, but if you pay +2€/mo for static, this is unlocked. This seems reasonable. If you're not paying for static IPv4, you're paying for "internet access", whether that's a rarely chaning dynamic IPv4, a constantly changing IPv4 or full CGNAT. Would you also say your mobile phone op…

I've been told there's a law that my mobile phone operator has to turn off all firewalling on my connection if I ask.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by luckylion »

sgjohnson wrote: post #133
direwolf20 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WhatsApp has been required to provide an open API, Apple has been required to provide alternative app stores. Neither one has actually done it because the EU is too pussy to enforce the law, but the legislators clearly had no huge principle disagreement when writing these laws. Mobile networks have been forced to allow roaming in other countries for a certain low fee, and that is actually enforced and has happened. I…

The difference between WhatsApp open API, alternative App Stores and forcing peering is that it costs virtually nothing for WhatsApp to provide an open API, and for Apple to allow alternative App Stores. Roam-like-at-home is also not a particularly good comparison here, because the the roaming fees were basically a price gouging scheme. Don't like DTAG? You're free to switch to another ISP.

What's your estimation for how much more expensive it would be for DTAG to peer at Decix instead of only doing dedicated private peerings that they get paid for?

Because I don't believe it's about any additional cost -- it's only about additional revenue that could be extracted. That's a behavior you don't like to see from a state-owned ex-"Only Offer Allowed" monopolist that is still dominating the market while the government entities tasked with regulating the market are closing both eyes.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by egeozcan »

anal_reactor wrote: post #153
0xcb0 wrote: post #86

Telekom is a bunch of strange folks. I lately was not able to send mails, from my private mail servrr to my fathers telekom mail. After investigation I found out my server got blocked. After a decade of working. I mailed them, and they told me to register my mailserver with them. I shall tell them what mails I will send from there and about what content. I couldn’t believe my eyes. Sure, thats how mail was supposed t…

> about what content Ask ChatGPT to generate you a very long very graphic story about how much you'd like to fuck a dog and your father is the only person who understands your desires and you want to discuss this with him via email. While fucking dogs is illegal in Germany, talking about it is (probably) not. Make the guy who asked the question regret doing it.

I'll give you an insider info: There's no guy! Your response would be filtered away by the profanity filter and nobody working in Telekom will ever read any of it.

Hell, I can even say, likely, nobody will ever read it, regardless of how you answer.

Those companies only respond to lawyers.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by rrr_oh_man »

ccozan wrote: post #91
fc417fc802 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best solution here would probably be the EU launching its own internet constellation. China and the US both have them. How is this any different than the issues surrounding GPS?

Well there is one : Eutelsat OneWeb

For the curious:

2022 Russia controversy

In March 2022, media reported that OneWeb was scheduled to launch a batch of 36 satellites from Baikonur cosmodrome days after Russia's invasion of Ukraine. There were calls for the UK to cancel the launch. Russia said the launch had already been paid for and would not be refunded, and would be cancelled from the Russian side unless OneWeb provided additional assurance that the satellites would never be used for military purposes and the British Government disposed of its shares in the company. The British government refused this demand and the launch was cancelled, along with other Russian launches. OneWeb tried through negotiations to get the stack of 36 satellites back, stranded in Kazakhstan due to political reasons. However, these negotiations never progressed. As OneWeb was on the verge of completing its 1st generation satellite network, they gave up hope in March 2023 on further attempts to get their satellites back, potentially scrapping the batch. The satellites were insured for $50 million, and OneWeb received the insurance money for them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eutelsat_OneWeb#:~:text=2022%2...

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by madduci »

zhouzhao wrote: post #97
progbits wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They most likely use GPON so the optic is going to see return traffic for your neighbors. So they make it hard (but not impossible) to bring your own optic or media converter.

You can bring your own modem. You just have to register it.

But how? There is no information about it, which means, it can't be done without any form of reverse engineering

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by DannyBee »

retired wrote: post #46
madduci wrote: post #38

I own a FTTH connection to Telekom since 2018, as the only provider in my street, allowed to install an internet connection (only glass fiber). Since then, I have always used my own device and I maintain a GitHub Snippet in how to connect OpenWRT modem (and by extension, any other modem that supports pppoe), rather than their Huawei SpeedPort crap or the more expensive Fritz Box). Link to Gist : https://gist.github.c…

Is it possible to use a media converter from glass fiber to RJ45/Ethernet? Those are commonly available and then you can use whatever modem/router you like.

Yes, with right kind of PON SFP stick this is possible.

Most kinds of PON sticks are still in the $150-300 range though for XGS-PON

(I use an XGS-PON stick with AT&T instead of their modem)

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by ckbkr10 »

madduci wrote: post #38

I own a FTTH connection to Telekom since 2018, as the only provider in my street, allowed to install an internet connection (only glass fiber). Since then, I have always used my own device and I maintain a GitHub Snippet in how to connect OpenWRT modem (and by extension, any other modem that supports pppoe), rather than their Huawei SpeedPort crap or the more expensive Fritz Box). Link to Gist : https://gist.github.c…

Sorry to say but how you are framing things is simply not true anymore.

You are not required to buy their "Glasfaser Modem 2" you can buy any ONT Modem.

You are not required to use any of their equipment, they give you the data to connect via PPPOE directly.

I bought a house with FTTH in 2023 and never used any Telekom hardware. Nobody forces you to use the peer DNS. The telekom DNS isn't complying to https://cuii.info/anordnungen/ because they want to but to avoid being sued everytime some company wants to block an illegal streaming site.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by DannyBee »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #73
retired wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it possible to use a media converter from glass fiber to RJ45/Ethernet? Those are commonly available and then you can use whatever modem/router you like.

I don't know if it's the case in Germany, but here in France consumer FTTH networks are of the GPON persuasion. These need to handle encryption and be able to properly register on the tree, so I'm not completely shocked they require some form of ISP-provided device to terminate the fiber connection. There's also a EU law which says that users should be able to bring their own modems / routers, so AFAIK providers say…

The 8311 discord is a great source of technical info and help on using your own PON equipment of various sorts with providers
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