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Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study

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Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study

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If the population of dead drivers with over the limit THC is 40%, and this dramatically exceeds the population average, that would strongly suggest the THC level IS an indicator of either: 1. Impairment from THC, or 2. Worse than average driving and risk management skills in those who use the drug

It's seat belts. People who die in wrecks are overwhelmingly not wearing seat belts. I would think marijuana users as a group probably have average seat belt usage, but people who don't wear seat belts probably have much higher than average marijuanna usage. Roughy 92% of people wear seat belts. But that 8% of people that don't wear setbelts makes up 50% or more of all fatalities. From my personal experience it seems…

You had me until the last sentence. Your easy assumption seems nonsensical to me.

Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study

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post #274

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Impairment is somewhat orthogonal to drug or alcohol intoxication. It's not safe to drive if you've been awake for 24+ hours, for example, or have some other medical condition (hypoglycemia, whatever) that impairs your ability to drive safely.

This has nothing to do with "intoxication" or sleep deprivation, or medical conditions. Some police will lie and charge people with "DUI" when there is zero justification, and they ruin lives because too many of them are sadistic assholes. It's in epidemic in Tennessee and other parts of the country, but it really could happen anywhere to anyone. Police unions are a problem, and taxpayers pay for the litigation when…

So what? This line of argument can be used to dismiss essentially any crime, because police can always lie about whatever the particular crime is. It's not a principled reason not to have laws or enforce them.

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Well, it would be good for the rest of us on the road if people driving two tons of murder box are 0% impaired. I'm no angel but I have gotten more diligent... I'm just reacting to "the degree". The goal has to be zero degrees of impairment when a moment of inattention can kill. Also, my son was just hit by a driver while he was on a bike and in the bike lane. They claimed not to see him. He's fine thankfully but it'…

There's not really such a thing as 0% impaired. People fluctuate day to day, hour to hour, and have different baselines.

Sure.. I just was addressing the goal makes sense that drivers are not impaired. Of course nobody is perfect.

Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study

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post #105

One useful point of comparison here would be the percent of the driving population overall who have some THC in their system in the same way as these researchers are measuring it. I wouldn’t guess that 40% of drivers would test positive for recent THC use, but I can’t understand the 40% number here without knowing the percent for the overall population.

The number of people who use any THC at all isn’t even close to 40% thought. The highest survey numbers I found had 20% of people reporting any use, even once, in the past year. There’s no way to normalize a result of 40% of a population sample having significant THC concentrations. That’s way higher than any conceivable sample of the general population.

There sure is, when the survey question boils down to "have you committed a Federal crime?"

Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study

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post #313

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There's not really such a thing as 0% impaired. People fluctuate day to day, hour to hour, and have different baselines.

Sure.. I just was addressing the goal makes sense that drivers are not impaired. Of course nobody is perfect.

A goal like that is far enough from what is actually possible that I think it's not a good goal. Maybe a slogan.

Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study

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But the truth is that habitual users are always impaired. Source: former habitual user.

Got any real sources? I've been a daily user for over 10 years and also have a spotless driving record.

Source? Source? Got any source about me? Yeah well those statistics only deal with other people who aren’t me, so I guess you’re not really trusting the science :/

Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study

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An issue with having the legal limit at ~2-5ng/ml is that it makes habitual users be over the limit if they have smoked recently or not.[0] Making the prohibition seem unserious to some, not about safety but about punitive control, and in turn making it matter less if you smoke and drive as you are taking the risk of getting into trouble in any case. The impairments of driving under the influence of alcohol have been…

Perhaps habitual drug users should not participate in operating heavy machinery around people?

Should alcoholics be barred from driving as well, even if they are perfectly sober when behind the wheel?

Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study

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Yeah I feel like the United States could dramatically improve its road safety if it kept maybe 1-3% of its drivers off the road permanently.

the problem is that our urban planning is so F@#$ed that taking away someone's ability to drive is tantamount to sentencing someone to poverty. In most of the country, you are completely dependent on a car to hold down a job, get groceries and pretty much anything else. In most other countries, not having a car is a mild to moderate inconvenience you can work around.

If my choice is jail or relocate and find a new job and home in a city with passable public transit (even if its just the bus) I know which one I'd pick.

Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study

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If the right lane goes straight, you can't turn right from any other lane.

Obviously. But the comment said TURN LANE.

Read it again. They didn't say the middle lane was a turn lane.

Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study

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post #244

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If the population of dead drivers with over the limit THC is 40%, and this dramatically exceeds the population average, that would strongly suggest the THC level IS an indicator of either: 1. Impairment from THC, or 2. Worse than average driving and risk management skills in those who use the drug

It's seat belts. People who die in wrecks are overwhelmingly not wearing seat belts. I would think marijuana users as a group probably have average seat belt usage, but people who don't wear seat belts probably have much higher than average marijuanna usage. Roughy 92% of people wear seat belts. But that 8% of people that don't wear setbelts makes up 50% or more of all fatalities. From my personal experience it seems…

Is this a joke?

The people who don't wear seatbelts are in my observation old folks who grew up without them or before using them was mandatory. It's just their habit.

I've almost never seen a person under about age 40 not using a seatbelt.

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