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Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Post by LunaSea »

higginsniggins wrote: post #288
nine_k wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Dumping" (selling at an artificially low price) is widely considered an attack on economic activity of the competitors, even though it may spur the economic activity of the consumers of the products being dumped. In this regard, the Chinese government pouring large subsidies into solar panel production both spurred the economic activity around installing solar panels, and attacked / thwarted in around production of…

"attack on economic activity of the competitors" Thats competition . It is a feature of markets. not a bug.

Not when its done with the help of a government.

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croes wrote: post #295
Gud wrote: post #280

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It’s not ironic. The Chinese are engaging in this behaviour, while they have had full access to western markets, arguably detrimental to the west. So now Europe are doing the same thing.

It’s ironic. China just did it first. I can’t call something wrong and then to the same. If, for instance, we call out China for surveillance of their citizens and then start doing the same, isn‘t that ironic?

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Post by trhway »

oblio wrote: post #303
thaumasiotes wrote: post #170

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> The fact of the matter is, they were strictly more technologically advanced than the classical Romans No, they were more advanced in certain ways, but the original contention is correct that they were less advanced in others. Notably they were unable to build domes. They were also less productive, so less advanced in an overall sense.

Only the Western Roman Empire fell and even that part was fairly on track to recovery once Charlemagne came into the scene. The fall of the Roman Empire is a pop history trope at this point.

Charlemagne empire wasn't an interconnected fabric of roads, trade, centralized administration and so forth, ie. it wasn't all that that Roman Empire was, and all that having gone is the fall of Roman Empire. Charlemagne empire was just an aggregation of conquered lands under his personal rule which thus he easily divided between his sons.

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Post by thesmtsolver »

Sloowms wrote: post #290
onetimeusename wrote: post #285

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That has happened and not a lot came of it. Venezuela nationalized American oil projects under Hugo Chavez. If by hell breaking loose you mean law suits I guess so.

Ah yes, Venezuela famously only has lawsuits that happened to them. Maybe look up Guaido, the 3% polling self and US declared president of Venezuela.

Isn't Venezuela a defacto dictatorship now? Not sure the 3% is correct under these conditions.

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Post by gpvos »

motorest wrote: post #304
drnick1 wrote: post #234

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They are controlled by their respective governments, but realistically that power is limited, because they know that "Western" powers would wage war if necessary. So in reality there is a tacit understanding between corrupt local governments and foreign powers to keep access more or less free.

> because they know that "Western" powers would wage war if necessary. Why do you feel the need go single out "the west"? I mean, where do you think the container ships crossing the Suez go to and come from? Do you think that the likes of China would be totally ok with their main trade routes being severed and instead having to go all the way around Africa? You're framing things as if there's still a British empire s…

Maybe not so much the Brits, but the French still have exploitative relations with their African ex-colonies; look up the CFA franc.

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Post by thomasdeleeuw »

throwaway-0001 wrote: post #309
rdl wrote: post #46

I don't understand why this suddenly happened (except if asked by the USG in response to the recent scare/reality over rare earths). The 50% ownership by a sanctioned entity was a reality for a while, and was an issue as soon as the purchase. This didn't change recently. So, this action should have been part of the pre-purchase review (CFIUS in the US...I assume there is an equivalent in China). On the face of it, th…

Us placed parent company Wingtech on US Entity List before. Then us probably forced Netherlands to do this. China bans rare earths, us forces eu to be against China. So I’d expect more escalations from China.

Definitely US pressure. NL is always eager to get on the good side of the US, even if they get nothing in return. For example participation in the war in Iraq and Afghanistan and Gaza today.

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Post by bgnn »

Luker88 wrote: post #61

I don't know if something similar was feared, but I would like to remind people of what happened in 2020 with China and ARM. You don't get into the China market without losing control.

Can't you say the same for the West though? This news is about a Chinese company's control being taking over by a Western government.

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Post by LunaSea »

vachina wrote: post #230
corimaith wrote: post #100

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>As soon as China tries to compete with the rich monopolies, the "free market" goes out of the window and becomes "free to do as we tell you". When China cannot compete with incumbents those protections also go up and when they can now people like you appeal to free trade (while ignoring existing protections). You are being overly charitable to one side here. Which is it? Free trade or Protectionism?

A big distinction is the Chinese do not meddle with affairs outside their borders.

They do, all the time. Price dumping is one example.

Industrial and scientific espionage is another one.

Hacking companies is one more.

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Post by hvb2 »

flybarrel wrote: post #293
maximus_01 wrote: post #225

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I'm not really disagreeing with you as it's not like there is a 100% true definition of a free market, different people can have different conceptions, but the original Adam Smith / classical view is that a free market should essentially be 100% driven by the private market on supply and demand - with as little government intervention as possible on either side of the ledger (subsidy or blocking)

mmm by that definition, which market is truly free market again? I'm not sure you can find one tbh

Commodities, large number of buyers and a large number of sellers all buying/selling an equivalent product.

No buyer has power to set prices and no seller does either.

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Post by whp_wessel »

infinet wrote: post #146
tmnvix wrote: post #17

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> For context, the law that allows this all to happen was passed in 1952 and has never before been used. Interesting parallel here with China recently invoking - for the first time - their own legislation from the 50's to ban rare earth exports for military uses.

Netherlands imported more CeO2 (a rare earth) from China than any other country, with 517 metric tons during the first half of 2025.

with Dutch stats like this it’s always important to note what’s for Dutch use or transporting through the Port of Rotterdam.
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