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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by basisword »

BJones12 wrote: post #223
glonq wrote: post #153

"Israel accused the IPC of lowering the second threshold of acutely malnourished children for a famine declaration, which the IPC has denied." Damn, Israel is really arguing about how much child starvation they are allowed to inflict before it becomes egregious? That might be another one of those "are we the baddies?" moments right there.

Definitions matter. It's possible for an organization to redefine "acutely malnourished" as less than 4000 Cal/day, and then use that to make an accusation. Is that reasonable? No, because that does not match reality. It's unreasonable to criticize pushback on changing definitions because definitions should be pushed toward reality.

As you say definitions matter - so let's not invent hypothetical scenarios to dismiss points.

Israel was not arguing about the definition of 'acute malnourished'. The threshold for famine is 15%. The IPC said it had just hit 16% and was thus a famine. Israel was arguing that other data showed it was only 12.2-13.5% and therefore not a famine. When you get to the point of arguing "only 12% of the children are starving, not 16%" you probably shouldn't bother.

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potatototoo99 wrote: post #272
jstanley wrote: post #212

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I didn't downvote you but I have no idea what you're trying to say. It's a style of post common in twitter, where you obliquely refer to several things that you personally are familiar with and assume that the reader will understand because they should have basically entirely the same things on their mind that you do.

He's alluding to some prophetic beliefs shared by some jews and some evangelical christians that the temple of Jerusalem needs to be rebuilt again (on the place of the current al-Aqsa mosque). This same mosque is important in Islam because it is in the place where the prophet ascended to heaven. If the temple is rebuilt (and some more things happen depending on the belief) some jews believe then that the messiah will…

> This same mosque is important in Islam because it is in the place where the prophet ascended to heaven.

Is it actually important in Islam? Or is it just a way for fundamentalists to make a claim to land that was historically Jewish? Islam was not invented until the 7th century. The temple ruins that the Al Aqsa mosque is built on is much older - by over a thousand years. I’ve also seen some Muslim scholars claim that the “real” Al-Aqsa is actually not on this site but elsewhere, and potentially lost over time.

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magicalhippo wrote: post #301
lejalv wrote: post #249

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> So yes, maybe Israel started the war, not least by colonizing a territory and forcibly displacing its inhabitants (also called “stealing their land). As well as ensuring funding of Hamas[1][2], and willfully ignoring warnings the attack was imminent[3][4]. [1]: https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/netanyahu-money-... [2]: https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/seized-documents-qatar-fun... [3]: https://www.jpost.…

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Post by mindslight »

crikeykangaroo wrote: post #230

This genocide reveals how much Israel truly controls the US government and other Western countries. I am beyond appalled this is allowed to happen. The last couple of months also showed that international rules and agreements don't mean anything - they are in fact only there to please the Western countries, until they throw it in the bin when it is convenient to them.

I've got to wonder if Israel is one the pillars propping up Trump along with China and Russia. It would make perfect sense with its relation to the Epstein files (in which Trump is likely mentioned every other paragraph).

I'm not saying the Democrats have done great by Gaza, but I feel like the point we're at - irrefutable genocide through starvation - there would at least be significant pressure to stop attacking humanitarian convoys.

All I can really say about the current situation is that it would be a great time for the EU to step up, demonstrate some international leadership, and forcibly deliver aid under the guard of military force.

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Post by xdennis »

viccis wrote: post #190
xdennis wrote: post #127

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> killing a ton of their own people on Oct 7

This is how ridiculous things have gotten. HN has quite civilized discussions, and even here people are blaming Jews for Oct 7 and getting upvoted for it.

I wouldn't be surprised if in a few more decades there will be another Holocaust in the West.

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Post by SilverElfin »

buyucu wrote: post #178
starik36 wrote: post #162

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Israel just tried to murder the negotiators in Qatar who were supposedly working towards a ceasefire. Israel is the one opposing a ceasefire.

> the negotiators in Qatar who were supposedly working towards a ceasefire

Supposedly is the key word. Qatar has urged Hamas to accept Trump’s ceasefire terms publicly. But let’s not forget they welcomed and housed Hamas’s leaders, and funded them, for a long time prior to today. Qatar has a history of supporting other terror groups as well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_and_state-sponsored_terr...

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Post by cletusw »

wonderwonder wrote: post #307

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That's the entire point of "war crimes" and "crimes against humanity" definitions like intentional starvation. It doesn't matter what the justification is, they're not allowed by the international law and need to be punished as such in all cases unconditionally.

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Post by FpUser »

Amir_A wrote: post #57

What I find the most jarring about this on a day-to-day being in tech circles is how some of the smartest people I know are not only unwilling to call out what's happening, they're unwilling to acknowledge it to begin with, and some like the triangle man and Collison brothers even support it. The more time I spend in tech the more I realize there's a deep moral rot here covered up by noveau-rich wealth

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Post by munk-a »

fatbird wrote: post #289
flyinglizard wrote: post #243

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Just to be fair, Israel itself is considered illegitimate by those parties. I doubt most democracies would let parties that are staunchly anti-state run, but Israel, for some reason, does.

Canada has a federal party since 1991, the Bloc Québécois, "devoted to Quebecois nationalism, social democracy, and the promotion of Quebecois sovereignty."[0] They're explicitly separatist by policy. Quebec's last attempt at attaining sovereignty was a provincial referendum in 1995 that lost by 0.5%. Had it succeeded, the provincial gov't was prepared to declare full independence the next day. [0] https://en.wikiped…

As a Canadian I'd also say that having such a party is a huge boon to the country. Separatists are going to separatist - your choice, as a nation, is whether to allow them to organize and have their voices heard within the system of politics or whether to force them to resort to violence and underground organization. Those underground separatist groups will always exist but giving formal political representation to the desire for separation (even if it isn't granted) can help defuse extremism and provide better methods for airing grievances.

The modern BQ is much more tame than the BQ of thirty years prior - they've mainly morphed into a party focused on franophone rights within Canada and the maintenance of QC labor rights. So while they specifically no longer represent that separatist movement as directly there are other groups focused on prairie separatism that are a better modern parallel.

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