How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

Post by ignoramous » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 8:03 PM UTC

justin66 wrote: post #123

Animats wrote: post #115

“Israel has built the most efficient starvation machine you can imagine.” There's political opposition to this within Israel. Here's what happened to an elected member of the Knesset who spoke out against the cruelty in Gaza.[1] He was forcibly removed from the podium of the Knesset. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzDxV7jnAos

People sometimes forget how bitterly divided Israel was before October 7th, with hundreds of thousands of people protesting in the streets. The war put some of the infighting on hold for a while, but all the former problems still exist, and the stakes are higher.

  What are the factors that transform a society that is generally decent, even if not free from flaws, into a society devoid of any moral restraints, into a multitude that wallows in the dubious pleasure of its cohesion and unity, indifferent to suffering, completely closed to others?

  The victims of the Nazis' knowledge were indeed the Jews. Nazi anti-Semitism was indeed particularly destructive and murderous.

  But the Nazis disregarded human life wherever it was. The extermination of hundreds of thousands of Russian prisoners of war is just another example, but their attitude towards their own army, on the Stalingrad front for example, was also devoid of any human consideration.

  Hitler did indeed lead these moves, but only here and there did anyone voice a complaint or reservation. With the outbreak of the war, the spirit of those who could truly resist was completely broken.

  Is it really that easy to break the spirit? How does that happen? Few history books deal with this. Huffner tries to explain, and even if he is not always convincing and does not see everything, this experience of his, so close to the moment of truth in Europe on the eve of the outbreak of World War II, is unique and one of a kind. I believe that even in our time and even in our places, it is worthy of in-depth study.

Post by yibg » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 8:04 PM UTC

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #69

abdulhaq wrote: post #61

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even if it was true, and the charities say it is not, would that make it OK to starve the people of Gaza?

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Post by lejalv » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 8:06 PM UTC

RS-232 wrote: post #232

bccdee wrote: post #208

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I'll bite the bullet and respond to this. Those claims have been investigated and were found to be insubstantial. Given that the government of Israel is extraordinarily biased in this matter and would never, under any circumstances, admit to deliberately starving civilians, we can safely disregard whatever excuses they put forth in the absence of external corroboration. > Sam Rose, the acting director of affairs for…

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Post by jacobgorm » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 8:07 PM UTC

dataflow wrote: post #59

rubzah wrote: post #4

There is simply no excuse for blocking the entry of food into a region wholesale. For that alone they should, at the very least, be an outcast in the international community. But here we are.

The claim I've heard them make is that the food aid is making it in, but being stolen by Hamas so that it can be resold at markup. How do you convince people that believe this that it isn't true (or is irrelevant)?

Post by usaar333 » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 8:09 PM UTC

slowturtle wrote: post #205

starik36 wrote: post #97

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Probably because Israel violated the ceasefire earlier this year (that was a sham from the beginning) that lasted from January to March. The first phase of the ceasefire saw an exchange of hostages, but then the Israelis refused to move on to the second phase and broke the ceasefire by bombing Gaza in the middle of the night, killing over 400 Palestinians in one day, including over 200 children. [0] Not to mention th…