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Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by ThrowMeAway1618 »

rdtsc wrote: post #303
danaris wrote: post #292

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> It's specific corner case of FCC licensing. No, it's not. It's fascism punishing those who don't bend the knee. FCC licensing is only the specific excuse they're using this time. > But the PR look was pretty bad. Instead of saying "condolences for the family, etc" now they are defending Kimmel's phrasing. Boo fucking hoo? It's a blatant First Amendment violation. They didn't have to "defend Kimmel's phrasing". All…

> Boo fucking hoo? I think that's exactly the look they didn't want. > They didn't have to "defend Kimmel's phrasing". All they had to do was say "no, it's protected political speech, and you can't do anything about it." Not when it comes to broadcasting and FCC. They control the frequencies/channels allocated so they have some control about the speech there. They should have fought it and called their bluff, it's ex…

>Not when it comes to broadcasting and FCC. They control the frequencies/channels allocated so they have some control about the speech there.

Where did you get your law degree? Email your ConLaw professor and ask them about it.

Because there's hundreds of years of precedent protecting political speech, whether true or not, regardless of the platform (including broadcast media). This is a blatant attempt to silence political speech the current regime doesn't like -- it was literally "cancel this guy or we'll make things hard on you."

They didn't even try to couch it in the terms you're using to defend this entirely authoritarian attempt to chill free speech. Why are you being an apologist for these folks? Or do you support having a lawless government?

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Post by nobody9999 »

gruez wrote: post #53
siliconc0w wrote: post #39

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The subject of the sentence was "the MAGA gang" - and it's true that they (and the president himself) were the ones desperately declaring right after the assassination before we had any information that shooter was a radical leftist. So for me it's a fair statement and really only disinformation if you purposely distort the sentence. The second part of what he said is also a true statement, that they're using this tr…

You're ignoring the part of the quote where he implied the killer was MAGA or MAGA affiliated. For reference the full quote is: >The MAGA Gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it Kimmel didn't explicitly make the accusation that the killer was MAGA, but the use of the wording "desperate…

>You're ignoring the part of the quote where he implied the killer was MAGA or MAGA affiliated. For reference the full quote is:

He did not. But even if he did, so what?

Does either interpretation make his comment somehow illegal and deserving of government threats to retaliate against folks unless Kimmel was punished?

That's not a rhetorical question.

IMNSHO, you're focusing on the wrong thing here. What difference does it make what legal speech was used? The problem is that the government is trying to silence the critics of those currently in power. And at least in the US, the government isn't allowed to do that -- whether they're critics of the current administration or not.

If you don't decry that, it could be you and yours next. You've been warned.

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Post by nobody9999 »

pitaj wrote: post #26
tanduv wrote: post #23

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ummm First amendment? Its not the first time misinformation has been broadcasted on air, why does the FCC need to get involved in this one. Would they have gotten involved if the implication was that he was a liberal?

They asked what was controversial about what he said, not whether the FCC's actions were constitutional.

>They asked what was controversial about what he said, not whether the FCC's actions were constitutional.

The former is (for some at least) interesting. The latter is actually consequential. I'm concerned about the latter.

The former, whether I agree or not, is about legal, protected political speech.

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Post by ThrowMeAway1618 »

chrisweekly wrote: post #151
lovelearning wrote: post #102

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The problem with "Hanlon's Razor" is that everything can be explained by incompetence by making suitable assumptions. It outright denies the possibility of malice and pretends as if malice is rare. Basically, a call to always give the benefit of the doubt to every person or participant's moral character without any analysis whatsoever of their track record. Robert Hanlon himself doesn't seem to be notable in any area…

IMHO you're taking it a bit too literally and seriously; I suggest interpreting it more loosely, ie "err on the side of assuming incompetence [given incompetence is rampant] and not malice [which is much rarer]." As a rule of thumb, it's a good one.

¿Por que no los dos?

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Post by [deleted] »

leakycap wrote: post #308
arcticbull wrote: post #293

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No, what I said was the COVID years . People became dramatically more prone to conspiracy theories and significantly more polarized in the 2020-2025 period. A lot more happened to people than just exposure to COVID, which was of course part of it. I'm not talking about the people who died or the healthcare workers. There was a meaningful step change in the way we interact with each other and what is acceptable. There…

Using my eyes, I looked back at the text on my screen next to your username. Your comment was 7 words, one of which is literally "COVID". Then you said you're weren't actually talking about COVID, but you actually meant something about how you think others are now prone to dramatic conspiracy theories. It seems like you're experiencing some of this yourself or are stuck in some sort of race condition where if someone…

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Post by tim333 »

epistasis wrote: post #300
tim333 wrote: post #299

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That goes: >Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press... It doesn't say anything about the FCC not pressuring Disney. They are not congress and are not making a law. I mean I don't agree with it but it's not clear it violates the actual text of the first amendment as written in the constitution. The…

> law ... abridging the freedom of speech Where does the FCC's authority to do anything come from? Congressional laws. If the FCC is using the laws to abridge free speech it is clearly an unconstitutional action. It's so weird to see sooooooo many people trying to make up reasons to justify clearly unconstitutional behavior, with extremely motivated reasoning, or perhaps motivated lack of reason. You cited exactly wh…

I'm actually motivated the other way - I don't like Trump attacking freedom of speech, along with most others. But I'm skeptical of the legal situation. That said I know little about the laws.

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Post by rdtsc »

ThrowMeAway1618 wrote: post #311
rdtsc wrote: post #303

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> Boo fucking hoo? I think that's exactly the look they didn't want. > They didn't have to "defend Kimmel's phrasing". All they had to do was say "no, it's protected political speech, and you can't do anything about it." Not when it comes to broadcasting and FCC. They control the frequencies/channels allocated so they have some control about the speech there. They should have fought it and called their bluff, it's ex…

>Not when it comes to broadcasting and FCC. They control the frequencies/channels allocated so they have some control about the speech there. Where did you get your law degree? Email your ConLaw professor and ask them about it. Because there's hundreds of years of precedent protecting political speech, whether true or not, regardless of the platform (including broadcast media). This is a blatant attempt to silence po…

> This is a blatant attempt to silence political speech the current regime doesn't like -- it was literally "cancel this guy or we'll make things hard on you."

If they thought it was so easy to defend and so obvious why did they buckle so quickly?

> They didn't even try to couch it in the terms you're using to defend this entirely authoritarian attempt to chill free speech

What did they couch it as?

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Post by nerdponx »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #301
eusto wrote: post #277

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FCC can decide to not let the $6.2 billion Nexstar acquisition go through. Kimmel is just part of the bribe

The people in charge of approval at the FCC are on this public comments submission page: https://www.fcc.gov/transaction/nexstar-tribune

Remember when the FCC botted their own comment page in order to make it look like the public was split and ultimately against a policy change that the public is clearly in favor of?

Funny how they only did that under President Trump, but Biden's FCC never did that.

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Post by pixxel »

mingus88 wrote: post #113
Aeolun wrote: post #10

What about what he said was so controversial? It seems entirely in line with everything else I’ve seen happen on these kinds of shows.

This is their Horst Wessel moment. It doesn’t matter what actually happened, it’s just the minimal cover to do what they always planned on doing. Don’t believe me? Trump literally announced his plans months ago to take down these talk show hosts who were so mean to him Poor guy :(

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