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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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> I just bought a 7840HS and now it's 7% off Write them and ask if you could get the rebate. The times I've had this happened to me when shopping from small/medium-sized businesses they've been nice enough to either give me a refund for the difference, or at least a coupon for future purchases.

Correct. Please reach out to our support team and they can help out on this.

You guys are great! Can't wait to get my Desktop, batch 12 :D

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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I literally just want a touchpad with buttons. These new 'clickpads' are the bane of my existence. They are so much slower, and certain workflows are impossible. I must use an external mouse now with modern laptops. Why can no laptop manufacturer even make this an option ?

> Why can no laptop manufacturer even make this an option? Because it’s a variation of both the case and the internals that brings a higher failure rate, more dust ingress, more moving parts, and, most importantly, would rarely be chosen. > They are so much slower, They are objectively faster because you can click anywhere rather than moving a finger to a button or keeping one finger always on the button.

> They are objectively faster because you can click anywhere rather than moving a finger to a button or keeping one finger always on the button.

I have no problem with the current trackpad (and prefer it), but when I used a trackpad with dedicated buttons, i'd use my index finger to track and my thumb to click, so I wouldn't have to move my fingers around at all.

Regardless, why do we feel the need to argue with people's personal preferences? You don't have to agree with someone on this. It's fine. People can prefer other things.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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The idea of Framework laptops sounds great! But I’m wondering: has anyone done an economic analysis comparing buying a Framework laptop a few years ago and gradually upgrading it, versus buying a similar popular brand laptop and just upgrading by getting a new model? I’m not trolling, I’m genuinely considering Framework as my next laptop.

It depends what you are looking for. If you care about overall price you don't buy brand new.

I want something that can run an Linux, IDE and some tooling that I can stick in my bag and not care too much about it so I buy refurbs. Often there isn't much wrong with them other than minor cosmetic damage.

I always go for Dell Business or Lenovo Thinkpads. There are plenty of spare parts available online. They typically work well with Linux & BSDs. I can get a laptop that was a flag ship a few years ago for like 1/3rd the price and often it is more than good enough.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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I'm glad the AMD GPU option still exists, I don't have great experience with NVIDIA on Linux. The rest of the upgrades, like the new top cover and keyboard, are very welcome

FYI All current and future Nvidia drivers are open source, since blackwell.

Saying "and future" is like taunting fate

Anyway, in case someone was interested it seems the code itself is cited as MIT, however it has a "when it becomes a Linux .ko it becomes GPLv2" clause https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules/blob/580.7... and they do go out of their way to say "lol, needs binary blobs" https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules/blob/580.7...

That XFree86.run has always struck me as "you're gonna what*?"

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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You've got a 16 inch Laptop, why are the arrow keys so tiny! And where's the PgUp PgDn Home End Insert Delete cluster? I wish a design-based shop like Framework would have some leadership in the keyboard area. This is why I have been exclusively Thinkpads for my last 3 laptops. Something more niche is that I also enjoy the mouse buttons above the trackpad, I can move with the thumb and click with a finger.

I was just badgering Gemini to find me a modern laptop with keys like the PowerBook g4. It looks like everything went chiclet style keys around 2012.

Still on the lookout for anything that’s not chiclet based, but they literally don’t exist.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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You've got a 16 inch Laptop, why are the arrow keys so tiny! And where's the PgUp PgDn Home End Insert Delete cluster? I wish a design-based shop like Framework would have some leadership in the keyboard area. This is why I have been exclusively Thinkpads for my last 3 laptops. Something more niche is that I also enjoy the mouse buttons above the trackpad, I can move with the thumb and click with a finger.

I was just badgering Gemini to find me a modern laptop with keys like the PowerBook g4. It looks like everything went chiclet style keys around 2012. Still on the lookout for anything that’s not chiclet based, but they literally don’t exist.

How about the mechanical keys on the alienware m15 / m17?

https://dell.alienwarearena.com/alienware-debuts-the-worlds-...

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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You've got a 16 inch Laptop, why are the arrow keys so tiny! And where's the PgUp PgDn Home End Insert Delete cluster? I wish a design-based shop like Framework would have some leadership in the keyboard area. This is why I have been exclusively Thinkpads for my last 3 laptops. Something more niche is that I also enjoy the mouse buttons above the trackpad, I can move with the thumb and click with a finger.

You probably want a full numpad shifting the entire keyboard off-center as well?

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Pricing is... steep. Almost $2500 before tax for a very mid-tier gaming laptop.

It’s not really a gaming laptop, it’s more like a workstation that happens to be decent at gaming.

They’ve even mentioned in another video I watched that their fastest growing segment is business customers.

Their systems have unique features and value proposition nobody else is offering so they can charge more than competitors.

Let’s also not forget that the gaming market does have a high end segment that is definitely in this price range. This costs less than a Razer Blade 16 with the same GPU. If you’re trying to compare a Framework to throwaway MSI trash with horrendous longevity that just isn’t an equivalent product.

Might as well be saying “why buy a Toyota RAV4 when a Dodge Hornet is cheaper?” Well, one of those is priced higher because it’s a better long-term buy.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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I have bad news for you: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadp/th... Someone should scoop up the niche market of anguished ThinkPad devotees, with a TrackPoint and a good, non-chiclet keyboard. Maybe Framework, leveraging its modular system. Maybe a Framework-compatible third-party.

Current models of the X1 have the option of having buttons or not. Which seems fine, but hopefully it isn't a sign that they're trying to drop the option of buttons.

it's the sign they are researching if there are enough demand for the nipple.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Kinda wish you guys didn't have an Nvidia product at all. It's only really useful for Windows users, but openly hostile and offensive to Linux desktop users.

We continue to have our AMD Radeon RX 7700S Graphics Module as an option on the new generation.

i.e. it hasn't been updated.

NVIDIA's 5070 is current gen, Radeon RX 7700S is RDNA3, whereas much improved RDNA4 exists.

There's also mention of gsync support on the screen. What about FreeSync with AMD?

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