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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by antonvs »

jvanderbot wrote: post #213
chpatrick wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can upgrade your old Framework 16 to this. Framework 13 wouldn't work anyway because it's a different chassis.

That's exactly my point. When I bought the 13 I figured there would be these kinds of upgrades down the road. You're right to say that was stupid and it was. And next there will be the framework 17, a 16 that's not backwards compatible or something?

> When I bought the 13 I figured there would be these kinds of upgrades down the road.

Unless you already have the Ryzen AI 300 motherboard - in which case you're up to date - you can upgrade your motherboard right now:

https://frame.work/marketplace?compatibility%5B%5D=amd_ryzen...

You can hardly expect Framework to reconfigure the physical structure of your laptop to support a new GPU card when the device didn't have one to begin with.

You seem to be looking for something to complain about.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by Kudos »

rauli_ wrote: post #112
bodge5000 wrote: post #82

I'm glad the AMD GPU option still exists, I don't have great experience with NVIDIA on Linux. The rest of the upgrades, like the new top cover and keyboard, are very welcome

It's so weird to hear people who have problems with NVIDIA GPUs on Linux, because for me it's always been the opposite. I have had problems with AMD but never with NVIDIA.

Nvidia driver 580 (latest stable, but not lts) was just released and is widely freezing people's systems right now.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by ezst »

panzerboiler wrote: post #218
ezst wrote: post #208

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Just for me to understand, you navigate to that thing you want to drag, then press harder (without the double-tap+move in short sequence, do there's that), and that registers a drag event? Could you do the "press harder" part with, e.g. a thumb in an other region of the touchpad instead of the finger that did the navigation?

Yes, you can. As long as one finger is "pressing hard-ish" a second finger can command the drag position, but if the finger that is pressing (you do not need to press very hard to trigger a click) is not the one that is also moving, then you will have issues when also scrolling with two other fingers, because at that point you have 4 fingers touching the trackpad, and by default you get anoter gesture registered (pro…

Thanks for clarifying, it seems analogous to having a physical mouse button, then (except that the haptic feedback is simulated, which strangely isn't off-putting to most, I've personally always felt the sensation uncanny)

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by JoshTriplett »

nrp wrote: post #119
Deuter8 wrote: post #6

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I literally just want a touchpad with buttons. These new 'clickpads' are the bane of my existence. They are so much slower, and certain workflows are impossible. I must use an external mouse now with modern laptops. Why can no laptop manufacturer even make this an option ?

The Touchpad Module is easy to replace, and the CAD and interface specs we've published on https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/Framework-Laptop-16 are likely detailed enough that anyone can try making one!

How much demand would there need to be for you to make one first-party?

How might we go about registering the quantity of that demand?

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by JoshTriplett »

neilv wrote: post #103
soperj wrote: post #53

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Thinkpads still have buttons. I don't ever use the trackpad, just the nub and buttons.

I have bad news for you: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadp/th... Someone should scoop up the niche market of anguished ThinkPad devotees, with a TrackPoint and a good, non-chiclet keyboard. Maybe Framework, leveraging its modular system. Maybe a Framework-compatible third-party.

Current models of the X1 have the option of having buttons or not. Which seems fine, but hopefully it isn't a sign that they're trying to drop the option of buttons.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by olejorgenb »

starkparker wrote: post #180
simpaticoder wrote: post #59

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I have a 1st gen Framework 13, Intel 11th gen CPU, running Ubuntu 24. It had a faulty design around the BIOS battery on the motherboard that I had to fix, and do some soldering on[1]. It's remarkable because they didn't say "Send the laptop in and we'll fix the design defect" they said, "First take a photo of the inside of the laptop to verify the serial number, then place an order, then do the repair yourself." This…

> Additionally, and non-trivially, the laptop's battery life is not good, and it drains very quickly on suspend Drain on suspend in particular has largely been resolved on newer mainboards, firmware, and kernel updates, though I don't have an 11th-gen Intel and haven't run Ubuntu for a long time. Kernel updates fixed this on my 12th-gen, firmware updates fixed it on my 7040, and my Ultra 7 155H never experienced this…

Which kernel upgrade? I have a dell precision with 12th Generation Intel i5-12500H, and it can't suspend properly. The suspend is even flaky and fails to suspend at all half the time. I run fedora with a very new kernel. It has a Nvidia GPU though. But then again - it is "Ubuntu certified"...

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by xyst »

This is awesome. Love the ability to upgrade as needed.

I would honestly buy one and load it up with nixOS.

My journey to exit the Apple wall has almost come to an end.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by smj-edison »

neilv wrote: post #103
soperj wrote: post #53

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Thinkpads still have buttons. I don't ever use the trackpad, just the nub and buttons.

I have bad news for you: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadp/th... Someone should scoop up the niche market of anguished ThinkPad devotees, with a TrackPoint and a good, non-chiclet keyboard. Maybe Framework, leveraging its modular system. Maybe a Framework-compatible third-party.

I just watched Framework's other video talking about what they're working on[1], and they mentioned they're trying to get the trackpoint working, but they're having issues with it damaging the screen due to the low clearance.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RzUBqtgODM

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by fooker »

bodge5000 wrote: post #82

I'm glad the AMD GPU option still exists, I don't have great experience with NVIDIA on Linux. The rest of the upgrades, like the new top cover and keyboard, are very welcome

FYI All current and future Nvidia drivers are open source, since blackwell.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by trws »

chao- wrote: post #158
TomLisankie wrote: post #139

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Is this because the driver itself has changed in its operation or just from the name change breaking lots of code that referenced the "radeon" name?

They were referencing a time, in the middle of the 2010's, when "amdgpu" was released. It is a completely rewritten, different driver, and is mostly open source [0]. Before that, the driver was named "radeon" and it was very shaky. I can speak to this personally. I had desktop Linux systems with both AMD/ATI and Nvidia GPUs, and while there were some issues with Nvidia, the AMD/ATI drivers gave me nightmares. Once th…

You have this largely right, but I need to defend the Radeon driver a bit here. The driver that caused all the problems was the proprietary fglrx driver, not the open source Radeon driver. The issue with the Radeon driver wasn’t stability, it was that it was 2d acceleration only.
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