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Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by healsdata »

throwaway071625 wrote: post #58

The article calls out “certain adult games” which is vague. It is interesting to note that most of the delisted games were themed specifically around incest. https://bsky.app/profile/steamdb.info/post/3lu32vdlsmg27 Wondering if this will be a slippery slope towards pulling more anodyne stuff.

Collective Shout, the group behind this petition, has previously gone after more mainstream games, like Detroit Becomes Human, for spurious reasons. I have no doubt they'll use this win and mealy-mouthed language to push for more censorship.

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Post by the_af »

deadbabe wrote: post #293
Aeolun wrote: post #282

I think it’s hilarious we allow stuff like Postal or Soldier of Fortune without a question, where the whole focus is on going crazy and murdering a whole bunch of people. But try to show a sensual human body, instead of one that’s ripped into small pieces, and oh my god, this is going too far!

I think this is a bit of a strawman. The market for people who get addicted to gruesome gore and are willing to pay money to see it is several orders of magnitude smaller than people willing to pay to see porn or OnlyFans. There is simply far more risk with adult content as a result and a lot more chargebacks from disatisfied customers with a post nut clarity.

> There is simply far more risk with adult content as a result and a lot more chargebacks from disatisfied customers with a post nut clarity.

Do you have any evidence to back this wild claim? I've never heard this argument about chargebacks made before.

I don't think it's about this at all. I think it's about policing content, but then the observation of GP's comment applies: why is violence ok, but sex is not?

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Post by healsdata »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #249
zerocrates wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your bank will file a report with FinCEN that says that you withdrew (or deposited, or transferred, or whatever) the money. They can/will also separately report suspicious transactions, including patterns of transactions that seem designed to evade the reporting requirements.

What if you cash your paychecks at the grocery store?

What grocery store is cashing checks in the 7-10k range?

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Post by AlexandrB »

Retric wrote: post #268
cogman10 wrote: post #261

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Threats of exposure and boycotting/blacklisting the card making room for competitors. Plenty of religious groups have the money to be able to start the "holy card". And there's plenty of businesses that'd be giddy to accept Jesus card. Consider, for example, companies like hobby lobby or Chick-fil-A banning visa and promoting Jesus card. It also wouldn't take much for such a card to advertise itself as kid friendly.…

Let’s be real, Chick-fil-A banning Visa would likely result in its bankruptcy. Starting a holy card that doesn’t work at gas stations etc is an extremely uphill battle.

Don't know about that. Costco banned Mastercard and they're doing fine.

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Post by johnebgd »

edoceo wrote: post #299
deadbabe wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is a bit of a strawman. The market for people who get addicted to gruesome gore and are willing to pay money to see it is several orders of magnitude smaller than people willing to pay to see porn or OnlyFans. There is simply far more risk with adult content as a result and a lot more chargebacks from disatisfied customers with a post nut clarity.

Are you saying porn buyers regret and that gore buyers do not? (As a broad generalization). Are you also asserting that's built in to risk-profole that payment gateways have?

I don’t have time for o look at the stats and provide quotes / cite sources but it does seem from what I’ve read on the topic that the more people play gore games the less violence there is in society.

If that’s true, maybe it’s also true that the more people have access to adult content the less babies we create as a society.

A society shrinking causes a number of issues.

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Post by sneak »

fragmede wrote: post #294
ls612 wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of the ways the government can censor people despite the first amendment. It’s absolutely by design. The regulators “express concern” about certain financial activity and then the companies remove it.

this is such small potatoes compared to the results of everything going on right now though

No institutionalized censorship of harmless content is small potatoes.

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Post by [deleted] »

pazimzadeh wrote: post #235
dmix wrote: post #84

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Well social/religious conservatives often think the child has rights even during pregnancy so it's not as simple as the mothers rights. The libertarian view tends to much more favour the parents rights to make choices for their children if I remember correctly, and obviously favour the option where the government isn't deciding for them.

Right, is there a non-religious reason to be against the right to choose to abort early during pregnancy?

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Post by octoberfranklin »

mapt wrote: post #255
ijk wrote: post #183

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One factor is the ongoing campaigns from number of moral crusading groups who lobby them to cut off payment processing for things they don't approve of. NCOSE has been working for decades on the project, and targeting credit card companies has been a successful tactic for them for a decade or so. [1] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/12/visa-and-mastercard-ar... [2] https://www.newsweek.com/why-visa-mastercard-being…

Targeting them with what? What could possibly hold enough leverage that Visa would jeopardize their sweet gig as an ideology-neutral, essential piece of American infrastructure siphoning 1-2% off of every dollar of consumer spending?

Because Visa's revenue is not dependent upon ideological neutrality.

They're half of a duopoly.

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Post by fragmede »

sneak wrote: post #316
fragmede wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is such small potatoes compared to the results of everything going on right now though

No institutionalized censorship of harmless content is small potatoes.

the other potatoes are really big

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Post by thfuran »

zulban wrote: post #309
deadbabe wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is a bit of a strawman. The market for people who get addicted to gruesome gore and are willing to pay money to see it is several orders of magnitude smaller than people willing to pay to see porn or OnlyFans. There is simply far more risk with adult content as a result and a lot more chargebacks from disatisfied customers with a post nut clarity.

You must be American if you think very violent games are not extremely popular.

They’re extremely popular in America.
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