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Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by stiray »

IlikeKitties wrote: post #308
stiray wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure they have a mission. But sometimes mission can be done by taking 1 step back to later make 2 steps forward in fast pace. At the end all profit. While in current state, the culprit, Google profits. And please keep fallacies like "do it yourself" for yourself, I am talking about collaboration, feel free to open another thread on top level about forks. Same goes for /e/ ... they just dont compare. GrapheneOS has tw…

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This went far enough. I have stated my thoughts, if the view doesn't change, GrapheneOS will continue to sell Pixels (lol, SAMSUNGS! Still rather buy them than Pixel) and I will be forced to buy them.

>Please consider the level of retardation this comment requires, it's impressive.

Yes, thats why I have stopped discussing with you and I dont know why I even started - futileness discussing with GrapheneOS evangelists is well known over the internet.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by crossroadsguy »

agile-gift0262 wrote: post #271

phone wishlist: - user-replaceable battery - 7+ years of security updates - iPhone 13 mini size - iPhone 13 mini camera quality - plastic exterior - headphone jack - fairphone-style sustainability, repairability and part availability - GrapheneOS compatibility - fingerprint reader either on the back or on the power button I miss my Pyxel 4a :-(

The size is not coming back. Anything else might or might not but the size is not and it's sad.

My only guess is - some kind of bespoke/niche phone maker with a good profit margin might make it "on demand". Of course not "one order from customer, one order to their factory" kinda setup - you get the drift. Some kind of blocking/reserving fee for priority shipping etc.

I had kind of hoped Nothing could be that OEM. But naah! Why would they! They literally are "yet another smaller OEM" in the crowd of other smaller OEMs with that gimmicky backlight as the only differentiator.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by teekert »

tomgag wrote: post #272
stiray wrote: post #265

I am still waiting for Fairphone and Graphene OS collaboration. This is match made in heaven. Any Fairphone/GrapheneOS developer reading this? Just do it, document if something is not secure enough for you, but do it. Nothing to think about, you fit together like hand and a glove and any seconds thoughts are depriving the planet of THE PHONE! Pick the cash we will throw at you and make second generation with the cpu…

I, for one, would buy one. Make it small and I would buy 3.

Me 3.

It looks like they really won't though: [0]

It's such a shame, vision-wise the GrapheneOS crew must be much closer to the FairPhone team than they are to Google and Samsung, one would guess... But the GrapheneOS people find security tech (such as secure enclaves) and update cycle very important. After the bad Pixel news, they find Samsung to be the best fit: [1]

I would (as many here) also hope that they could somehow make the FairPhone crew step up in their security practices, help them do it. They would be the golden combo, except perhaps for things like camera quality and raw speed/AI chips. And possible the niche is just to small to be profitable.

But a man can dream... I'd pay 1.5 to 2x normal price for a FairPhone/GrapheneOS combi, it would align with my values in almost all dimensions. And then I'd buy a Pebble and just be happy.

I really don't know what to do when my iPhone 12 mini dies. I do like the iPhone, but I also liked my OnePlus3 with LineageOS. I was originally planning on a Pixel/GrapheneOS after this phone, but that dream has shatter I think...

[0] https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114721751616786103

[1] https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114721967328643999

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by choffee »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #276

I don't see anythng more "sustainable" in this phone compared to mainstream ones. Making it a bit more modular or repairable does not make it "sustainable".

They have a post about some of the reasons that the 5 was sustainable. It's not just the repair and modular parts but the whole supply chain.

It' rarely gets talked about here as this is a mostly tech audience who focus on features, which are important, but Fairphone is more focused on the impact of the manufacture.

https://www.fairphone.com/en/2023/08/30/is-the-fairphone-5-t...

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Post by palata »

squarefoot wrote: post #245

All phones eventually become obsolete, but their guts could be used in so many ways. I'd love for example if someone made an enclosure acting also as multi port docking station so that old phones with unlocked bootloader (Fairphone being one of them) could be reflashed with a different operating system then used as mini PCs, media players, IoT wall terminals with bigger screens or other uses. Seeing all that perfectl…

> then used as mini PCs, media players, IoT wall terminals with bigger screens or other uses

If they can be used like that, why couldn't they be used... as phones?

Changing phone every two years is not sustainable, even if the old phone is used as an IoT wall terminal: it's still "consuming" one phone every two years. In a sense, an old phone in a drawer uses less energy than an old phone staying powered to control a lightbulb.

> planned obsolescence

Nitpick: I like to call it "premature obsolescence". Planned obsolescence is the idea of engineering the product to not last more than some time. I think nowadays it's often not the case; rather we engineer the product to last for the time of the warranty (1-2 years) and not more. And a product dying after 1 year is "premature", even though it was not actively engineered for that.

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Post by IlikeKitties »

teekert wrote: post #313
tomgag wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, for one, would buy one. Make it small and I would buy 3.

Me 3. It looks like they really won't though: [0] It's such a shame, vision-wise the GrapheneOS crew must be much closer to the FairPhone team than they are to Google and Samsung, one would guess... But the GrapheneOS people find security tech (such as secure enclaves) and update cycle very important. After the bad Pixel news, they find Samsung to be the best fit: [1] I would (as many here) also hope that they could…

> It's such a shame, vision-wise the GrapheneOS crew must be much closer to the FairPhone team than they are to Google and Samsung one would guess... But the GrapheneOS people find security tech such as secure enclaves etc very important.

I seriously doubt that given fairphones track record in regards to updates and security. GrapheneOS Devs value timely updates and integration of security tech. Fairphone does neither.

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Post by shiomiru »

godelski wrote: post #244
shiomiru wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That was seriously the best solution. I much prefer having it on a physical home button. You can still feel a dent, but it takes even less effort to reach for it with your thumb. (Well, I think the Pixel never had a home button, and by now it's unfortunately disappeared from other phones too...)

The back sensor had an indent too, so you could easily feel it. Hold your phone in your hand. Where does your index finger sit? If it is on the back of the phone, that's where the sensor was. It was very natural.

Sure, but I'm talking about where my fingers first reach when taking the device out of my pocket.

In that case, I'm grabbing it with my thumb, index finger and middle finger, and since the phone is seated upside down, my thumb reaches the home button before I'm even holding it in my palm.

On phones with a fingerprint sensor on the back, I first have to get a full grip, and then I can reach for the sensor.

(But it's probably somewhat hand/pocket-specific...)

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Post by palata »

anken wrote: post #305
squarefoot wrote: post #245

All phones eventually become obsolete, but their guts could be used in so many ways. I'd love for example if someone made an enclosure acting also as multi port docking station so that old phones with unlocked bootloader (Fairphone being one of them) could be reflashed with a different operating system then used as mini PCs, media players, IoT wall terminals with bigger screens or other uses. Seeing all that perfectl…

Citronics from Brussels does that with Fairphone 3 hardware. https://citronics.eu/

I didn't know about this, it's cool!

This said, I have a Fairphone 3 and it is still usable.

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Post by rini17 »

squarefoot wrote: post #245

All phones eventually become obsolete, but their guts could be used in so many ways. I'd love for example if someone made an enclosure acting also as multi port docking station so that old phones with unlocked bootloader (Fairphone being one of them) could be reflashed with a different operating system then used as mini PCs, media players, IoT wall terminals with bigger screens or other uses. Seeing all that perfectl…

You can connect any peripherals including keyboard and mouse using usb-c hub. There are hubs that support external power available already so you can simultaneously charge the phone. I do sometimes use my fairphone with external keyboard case that way. Yes I would like higher quality one that better fits the phone, but I think that would be niche/bespoke expensive product.

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Post by frank20022 »

All my smartphones lasted 4+ years, except ironically the FP3 that only lasted 2 years. I really wanted to like it, but assembly quality was terrible, battery was falling on the floor all the time, and max volume for calls was almost unaudible, an apparently rare problem they have been unable to solve.

I hope they have improved since and wish them the best, but as sick of Apple I am, I am also too afraid to try FP again...

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