Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

Post by Sloowms » Wed, Apr 23, 2025, 3:41 PM UTC

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #260

rsynnott wrote: post #141

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I'm a bit surprised usage was ever that high; that would imply that almost 10% of the population was using _Facebook Marketplace_! I think I've looked at it maybe twice since it launched, to admire all the weird scams. Maybe it's gotten better since? It used to be sub-ebay levels of complete nonsense.

Remember that you're probably in a bubble. Marketplace was incredibly popular back in the days when I was at FB, and I'd have expected it to get more popular based on the people I see around me (kids stuff is all over it). Maybe the gatekeeper thing is a reflection of less people in the EU using FB at all, rather than specifically Marketplace.

Post by dmitrygr » Wed, Apr 23, 2025, 3:43 PM UTC

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dmitrygr wrote: post #293

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Generally, as a society, we hold that a contract cannot be modified without both parties’ agreement. When you bought that phone, it was with the completely clear, overt, and in no way uncertain understanding that it does specifically X Y Z, and does not do A B C. Now, without additional payment to the counterparty, you’re demanding your phone do A B C. What am I missing? According to accepted understandings of contra…

You are of the opinion that it is reasonable for a company to expect you to read, understand and fully agree with a contract that consists of countless pages of opaque legalese and that you have no say in whatsoever, just in order to use a service that's arguably a necessity to participate in public life? The EU does not seem to share that opinion, and puts some restrictions on these types of 'contracts'. Are you rea…

Post by dmitrygr » Wed, Apr 23, 2025, 3:44 PM UTC

Sloowms wrote: post #304

dmitrygr wrote: post #293

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Generally, as a society, we hold that a contract cannot be modified without both parties’ agreement. When you bought that phone, it was with the completely clear, overt, and in no way uncertain understanding that it does specifically X Y Z, and does not do A B C. Now, without additional payment to the counterparty, you’re demanding your phone do A B C. What am I missing? According to accepted understandings of contra…

I'm not sure what society you are referring to but contracts have to adhere to laws in the EU. This is also about software that is being updated. So the transaction is not completed yet. Apple could probably go the route of not providing the update to phones that were sold before the law was voted on/in place. I would guess that would lead to other legal battles.

Post by bootsmann » Wed, Apr 23, 2025, 3:46 PM UTC

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> What do you do if every car manufacturer does something that's a "deal breaker" Sane societies recognize the problem and regulate it out of existence.

Preference is subjective. I hate touch screens in cars that so anything but provide a screen for my phone, others love them. Should we ban touch screen controls because of my preference? I like to have a curated app store for my phone and not have a free-for-all with multiple stores of varying quality where I need to set up a new store just to use a popular app. So I can buy an iphone and people who have a different…

Post by samdung » Wed, Apr 23, 2025, 3:47 PM UTC