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Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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What if all the porn, adult, crypto, gambling, etc. content was in a separate part of Internet? Like a red lights district. Or at least be easily blocked (but with laws requiring them to help blocklists or IP/domain).

In meatspace there are rules of how close those can be from schools and churches (of any denomination).

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And how can you attribute this decline to specific laws? Seems it could be a result of many things such as public education & cancer outcomes becoming obvious.

When people were told they could smoke from candy-flavored USB-charged devices they jumped back on the train. Education didn't do anything, and no facts are obvious in this new world.

It's because people in general tend to learn and retain simplified versions of things. They hear that tobacco in cigarettes causes cancer but that candy-colored USB-charged devices can come without tobacco and completely miss the fact that nicotine is also a terrible substance to get hooked on. Even amphetamines are better because at least you can stop those whenever you want and all that happens is a few days of being sleepy and then you're fine. Try to stop nicotine cold turkey and, well...

Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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Guessing leaves me two options, so was you, or your children that were spit on? Also, what could possibly lead to that happening? Someone upset they were noisy? Or just that they dared show up at all?

Drugs and mentally ill people.

And go one step further: The culture that allows drug addicts and mentally ill people to do that.

And even further: The culture that doesn't want to fix the aforementioned problem with their culture.

Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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>Adults Only by default. Just like public spaces. This is the attitude that led us to this problem in the first place. >Would you allow an 8 year old to wander New York City unattended? They're at much higher risk of being arrested/abducted by the police than they are anything else. This is a uniquely North American neurosis; this happens every day in every other nation. They take the subway to work/school or walk, l…

You really think a child is more likely to be abducted by police in NYC than anything else? What are you talking about?

Well they're not allowed to beat up and intimidate criminals, so what else are they supposed to do? We've turned police into armed Karens.

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Nonspecific covid policies getting support from "the mainstream" is proof that HN will support authoritarianism? Huh.

Yes. That was the most clear cut case of authoritarianism I've ever seen in the post Berlin wall era.

It's not hard to grasp if you read a constitution and see how right to assemble, right to work, right to bodily autonomy, right to speak, all got attacked in different degrees in different countries across the world with apparent widespread support. Of course, censorship of any alternative played a part and non compliance by people who pretended to comply happened all the time but by and large the authoritarian tune was sung.

Now, you can call me one of the typical labels that were in vogue back then but, it doesn't really change facts.

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Should be done? Lol. Talking about culture ethnocentrism taking to the extreme. No one forces you not to take your kid to bed at 8, or you for that matter. Stay out of my life. The anglosphere is so full of authoritarian people wanting to get into people's lives and even when arguing against surveillance you think there's an agreeable common goal we should all strive to. No. We don't.

That was his point. Ironically enough I’ve found Americans to be by far the most resistant to authority, both societal and governmental. Maybe what’s shining through from your comment isn’t how you live in a less authoritarian environment, but that its mores just happen to align with yours so you’re blind to them.

You misread mine.

The rest of your paragraph is just nothing. A vague strawman.

Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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Should be done? Lol. Talking about culture ethnocentrism taking to the extreme. No one forces you not to take your kid to bed at 8, or you for that matter. Stay out of my life. The anglosphere is so full of authoritarian people wanting to get into people's lives and even when arguing against surveillance you think there's an agreeable common goal we should all strive to. No. We don't.

99% sure his point was exactly what you said. "Should be done" vs "should be enforced" by the person you demand stay out of your life.

No. Another one who doesn't get it. It shouldn't be done.

The problem is that you don't get it. You think that saying "we all agree on X but it's bad for society" gets you to eventually acknowledge there's a safer way to do X, at least partially.

I'm saying you shouldn't even pretend the first statement is acceptable and that implementation is the problem .

Now, that's very nuanced for some and I'll get the "you're missing the point, he doesn't want surveillance".

No, you're missing it.

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> It would absolutely be possible to implement that stuff in a fully privacy-preserving way, with nothing but basic cryptography, and the government could absolutely enforce that implementation. There are ways to do this which are less bad , but there is no way to do it "in a fully privacy-preserving way" without also making it fully ineffective, because if there is no way to prove who someone is then there is no way…

You can verify who someone is without knowing specifically who "who" refers to. We do it all the time. I give a one-time code to service X and it knows I am who I say I am, but the code I gave is virtually worthless information. All it knows is that I have credentials, and I am the authorized person to have those credentials because I have physical access to some device, unknown, which is known to belong to said pers…

You're omitting the part where you have to disclose who you are to the party issuing the credential. If they issue you a unique credential while knowing your identity then they can trace back all your uses of it to your identity. When that party is the government or within the government's jurisdiction, the government has the capacity to do that even if the services where you use the credential are operated by a third party, so you very much haven't solved the privacy problem.

The only way to actually solve it is to make the credential non-unique, i.e. issue the same one to everybody so they're fully indistinguishable. That does solve the privacy problem, but then you have the "who is telling the kids the secret password" problem.

Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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There is more of it now, certainly. Is it worse than goatse?

More of it yes, but the themes and extremes have been shifting over the years as well, with family fantasies and misogyny/sexual violence becoming increasingly prevalent. This was actually on the front page recently [0], and while I'm no prude, I do think it's worth taking the trends in porn seriously when comparing the old Internet to the current day. - [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43196585

Oh, I vehemently disagree.

The platforms that are popular today (Pornhub, XHamster etc;) have restrictions on what they will publish, pornhub in particular has cracked down hard on pornography that does not have a chain of custody.

Rape fantasy and domination kinks are more difficult to find than when I was a kid, you don't stumble upon it.

If you are a kid looking for boobs the most likely place you wind up is Pornhub or xhamster too.

The internet when I was a kid was more like efukt except even less moderated.

As for misogyny, it's hard to discuss because everyone has a slightly different definition - even in extreme cases that some people think sex itself is misogyny: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5050613...

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