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US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by est »

supriyo-biswas wrote: post #281
est wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ICP recordal which requires removal of violating user-generated content And the reason behind that? Copy from other comments, "So China can't spy on Americans and astroturf propaganda", swap China/America

> Copy from other comments, "So China can't spy on Americans and astroturf propaganda" The Chinese versions of these services are walled off from the rest of the world (otherwise the ICP license probably ends up applying to the worldwide service), so this is not even a plausible explanation. Further, asserting that the requirements imposed by the ICP recordal as being equivalent to following laws in other democracies…

this is why I don't like online political arguments, it always come down to faith and infidels

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Post by whoitwas »

brookst wrote: post #146
gkanai wrote: post #100

Reciprocity is key. Google and Facebook and most Western web services are blocked in China. If that is the case, then there should be no complaint with blocking Bytedance/other Chinese apps in the West.

So… if China mistreats their citizens, reciprocity says we must mistreat ours? You don’t fight censorship with censorship. That doesn’t stand up to even the most cursory thought. You fight censorship with openness. As soon as you find yourself arguing that you have no choice but to engage in the same behaviors you claim to dislike, you have literally become the enemy.

I don't understand this position. It's not censorship, it's security. It's protecting USA from China. Why should we allow China to have access to all contacts, media, location, etc for half of all Americans? Would you agree on a limited ban for military or government employees?

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Post by Fornax96 »

kelnos wrote: post #250
brookst wrote: post #172

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Sure. If censorship is wrong, then it is wrong. If censorship is just fine, the n it is just fine. It is the height of hypocrisy to engage in censorship in the name of stamping out censorship. It feels like a tautology because the opposing viewpoint is a very simple hypocrisy. If you don’t like something, don’t do it.

Your argument is predicated on the idea that banning TikTok is censorship. It's not. No speech or information is being suppressed; any speech being made on TikTok can instead be made on other platforms. This isn't like China where the government bans any services they can't control, and directs the services that they can control to suppress any information they don't want people talking about.

Who says the US isn't controlling the narrative on US social media?

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Post by close04 »

OhioMan2943 wrote: post #194
omnimus wrote: post #187

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This move unfortunately has nothing to do with harm of social media. Its purely about economical war with china. US is simply protecting its interests. So not only the ruling class in US doesnt care about the harms of social media. They are actively protecting the results - the profits and data/spying/control facebook brings. They will surely not limit or break up facebook unless it would result in getting more resul…

I know this, but there is still a massive net benefit for the youth, and I hope it opens the door to more social media scrutiny. People forget how relaxed life was before everyone could point a camera at someone and upload and embarass them in 10 seconds

> there is still a massive net benefit for the youth, and I hope it opens the door to more social media scrutiny

More realistically it just opens the door for US social media companies to fill the very profitable gap left by TikTok. Do you believe that for no reason whatsoever except the kindness of their corporate hearts, Meta, X, Alphabet, and others will just decide to abandon this segment?

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Post by OhioMan2943 »

rdm_blackhole wrote: post #310
OhioMan2943 wrote: post #235

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I'm pretty aware of how inept our government is at these policies, and their surveillance state tendencies (eg undisclosed facial recognition testing at flinder street station). But at this point i think a malicious australian government is less of a threat to the public and our way of life and emotional prosperity than social media.

So your entire argument for supporting U16 ban is that despite knowing that: - it will put every Australian's PII in the hands of people who have a bad track record on security - de anonymize the internet as we know it - make it easy for a foreign actor to break in (remember if there is a backdoor, it will be exploited) - increase the state's surveillance capabilities on their own citizens All of this to do what exac…

My hope is that maybe people will stop viewing life from such a productised and artificial lens that's so far removed from the natural human experience.

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Post by chvid »

My guess is that TikTok is about to get the Huawei treatment.

Like it happened to Huawei, the US State Department will campaign against it in various foreign countries and seek a similar ban. And like it happened to Meng Wanzhou, the US will use its legal system to pursue key figures in ByteDance, many of whom reside in Singapore, a country which has an extradition treaty with the US.

(If you think I am exaggerating, hear this week's edition of the All In podcast.)

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Post by xboxnolifes »

wiseowise wrote: post #229
est wrote: post #166

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> explain its first day In the beginning The Elders of the Internet created the Server and Terminals, and pipes that interconnects them And the online community was without form, and void; and illegal/cp/terror/financing/harmful darkness was upon the face of the deep And the Spirit of State censorship moved upon the face of the waters And the State said, Let there be right: and there were rights and wrongs And the St…

Using CCP app is not a right.

Correct, it's been placed in the wrongs.

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Post by paganel »

kelnos wrote: post #287
paganel wrote: post #183

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The West was throwing all shorts of shades at political powers here in Eastern Europe back in the day for not letting the free flow of information do its thing. So, saying that the US is doing the right thing now to ban TikTok based on ideological grounds is saying that it was right sending people to prison back then for listening to Radio Free Europe and similar.

I keep seeing this style of argument, but it's completely irrelevant and ignores nuance and the specific circumstances. Banning TikTok is not going to impact the free flow of information. That traffic will just move (back?) to other social media platforms. "Back in the day", the Soviets didn't want their people to know what life was like outside the USSR. Banning TikTok will not reduce anyone's knowledge about what's…

What nuance is there?

> Banning TikTok is not going to impact the free flow of information. That traffic will just move (back?) to other social media platforms.

It's like saying people should have switched back to reading Pravda, instead of listening to Radio Free Europe.

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Post by corimaith »

rdm_blackhole wrote: post #274
OhioMan2943 wrote: post #167

This is one of the things in my lifetime that gives me the most optimism, alongisde the IRA Bill. as someone in Australia who strongly supports our recent U16 ban, I hope META gets removed/broken up for you guys soon after, at least for underage users. I'm 22 and often wish I had never been born into a world with social media, with the belief that it is one of the worst things we have ever made as a species. I know t…

Just wait until they ban something you care about and then see if you are still in favor of governments deciding what apps you should have or not have. You think this is a win for now and then in the future based on this same precedent, the Australian government will ban an app that you use regularly because they can and there will be nothing you can do. When that happens, you'll go protest in the street against the…

Appealing to libertarian principles here but I'd be hard pressed this is really about libertarian principles or if one is just mad of an action is going against a certain country's interests and is using whatever principle they can find to demean it irrespective of their actual beliefs.
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