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Post by gcr »

rdtsc wrote: post #288
elzbardico wrote: post #264

What MBAs and Financists destroyed so far: - Western Industry. - The blue-collar middle class - The Middle Class - Our health care system - Our education - Western Economic Leadership. - Social Mobility Now they are busy destroying western technology, science and innovation on their never-ending selfish wealth-extraction quest. They convinced us that our homes are investments, so they can fleece us with their usurary…

> So, what next? our organs? Not even kidding. There are villages around where I grew up, a good number of adults have one kidney only. Now if they manage to kidnap and kill a person, now they got two kidneys, a heart, a liver and other stuff.

Whoa cool how come?

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Post by HideousKojima »

underlipton wrote: post #306
noworld wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Related: https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2024/08/12/whats_b... The Navy’s ability to build lower-cost warships that can shoot down Houthi rebel missiles in the Red Sea depends in part on a 25-year-old laborer who previously made parts for garbage trucks. Lucas Andreini, a welder at Fincantieri Marinette Marine, in Marinette, Wisconsin, is among thousands of young workers who’ve received employer-sponsored t…

Everything about this reeks to me. Why do we need to build so many warships? (To fight China? We're going to war with another nuclear power?) Why are we fighting Houthi rebels? But also, why isn't the government sponsoring this training? Why is it only thousands, and not hundreds of thousands or even millions of workers being trained? And when did the call go out that they were going to be offering training? (I never…

>Why are we fighting Houthi rebels?

Because they're attacking commercial shipping heading to and from the Suez Canal? I mean it wlso pleases our Saudi allies but the shipping attacks are the main concern.

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

elzbardico wrote: post #264

What MBAs and Financists destroyed so far: - Western Industry. - The blue-collar middle class - The Middle Class - Our health care system - Our education - Western Economic Leadership. - Social Mobility Now they are busy destroying western technology, science and innovation on their never-ending selfish wealth-extraction quest. They convinced us that our homes are investments, so they can fleece us with their usurary…

> What MBAs and Financists destroyed so far:

You can add governance for as long as lobbyists have been writing law.

You can add accountability for whenever MBAs and investors come in contact with news orgs.

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Post by sgu999 »

pc86 wrote: post #286
Aldipower wrote: post #274

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Is this ironic?

The problem is that the Venn diagram of a) people who say things like "Financists" unironically and speak of a cabal of people with "usurary (sic) schemes" designed to bankrupt entire civilizations and b) actual, legitimate anti-Semites looks like a blurry circle unless you're right up against it. It doesn't mean there aren't people in (a) who aren't anti-Semites and who have legitimate grievances. But they're virtua…

> The problem is that the Venn diagram of a) people who say things like "Financists" unironically and speak of a cabal of people with "usurary (sic) schemes" designed to bankrupt entire civilizations and b) actual, legitimate anti-Semites looks like a blurry circle unless you're right up against it. > It doesn't mean there aren't people in (a) who aren't anti-Semites and who have legitimate grievances. But they're virtually indistinguishable from the people shitposting (or worse let, legitimately posting) on /pol/.

The problem is that the Venn diagram of a) people who collect vintage teaspoons and b) competitive yodelers looks like a blurry circle unless you're right up against it. It doesn't mean there aren't spoon enthusiasts who can't carry a tune, but they're virtually indistinguishable from the alpine warblers at international yodeling championships.

I didn't see any reference to judaism in the original post, how you both end up there is just... weird.

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Post by underlipton »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #193
edmundsauto wrote: post #178

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What do you think has changed since the 1960s? There were high paying private industry union protected skilled jobs, but many people went to work for NASA.

The USSR had just beat the US to put the first man into space. The same USSR that was killing political dissidents en masse and building an arsenal of terrifying nuclear weapons. John F. Kennedy set out the ambitious goal of putting a man on the moon before the end of the decade, and then he was assassinated. People wanted to make that happen. So they did. There hasn't been a lot to inspire people to work for the gov…

No, it just aligned with elite interests ("If they can put nuke platforms above our heads and we can't put some above theirs, it doesn't matter how much better our economy runs, in theory.") There were plenty of people who would have loved to have put their energy and expertise towards a climate change moonshot, but our incredibly powerful corporate interests and the legislators that they own didn't want it to happen, so it didn't.

Also, you remove that second S and first R from that second sentence, and it would still be true. Our entry into the space race wasn't a matter of unmatched moral nobility.

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Post by Ajedi32 »

kaliqt wrote: post #249
Gud wrote: post #190

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No, but there will be. Besides SpaceX there is also Rocketlab who has a CEO rocket nerd in charge.

So that's two nerds total.

Stoke Space also has a pretty huge rocket nerd at the helm[1]. And of course there's Blue Origin (even though they seem to be taking forever). The industry has been flourishing lately, though (with the possible exception of Blue Origin) it'll be a long time before these younger companies produce anything capable of rivaling Falcon 9, let alone Starship.

[1]: https://everydayastronaut.com/stoke-space/

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Post by Workaccount2 »

coliveira wrote: post #259
noworld wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Related: https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2024/08/12/whats_b... The Navy’s ability to build lower-cost warships that can shoot down Houthi rebel missiles in the Red Sea depends in part on a 25-year-old laborer who previously made parts for garbage trucks. Lucas Andreini, a welder at Fincantieri Marinette Marine, in Marinette, Wisconsin, is among thousands of young workers who’ve received employer-sponsored t…

I think it is a great development, the US decided to export jobs to other countries to pay less its own workers, so it fits well that now it has no expertise to build its war machines.

It doesn't even have to be like that. People want comfy WFH service jobs and college is basically just becoming 13th-16th grade at this point.

America is an advanced economy and the advanced work is where the money and comfy life is. No one did anything wrong, really the problem is that too many are doing everything right.

The only real answers to this is either immigrants (who undercut local workers) or some kind of wage incentive rebalancing/redistribution (which pisses off service workers above the median income).

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Post by chii »

sgu999 wrote: post #307
BirAdam wrote: post #280

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No one really “let them” destroy things. This is one of the key dangers of majoritarian government. The moment that people can vote for representatives the representatives will be purchased, and later, the votes will purchased. Once this happens, money will be destroyed to allow the purchasing class to rob the wealth of the civilization, and this leads to financialization of economics. This pattern has been repeated…

> This is one of the key dangers of majoritarian government. The moment that people can vote for representatives the representatives will be purchased What better alternatives are you thinking of? An intelligent, compassionate, eco-friendly and forward-thinking dictator would be great I guess, but historically that's not the ones emerging on top.

> but historically that's not the ones emerging on top.

the only one that has so far been "good" has been the singaporean authoritarian regime (yes, they are "authoritarean").

But even if they're good and benevolent so far, there's zero guarantee that the next leader, or the next generation of them, will remain true.

That's why even though majoritarian gov't are bad, they're the least worst. Not to mention that if the elected gov't is bad, it's becaue the people doing the electing didn't put in enough civic responsibility as a collective.

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Post by chii »

mmcconnell1618 wrote: post #302
elzbardico wrote: post #264

What MBAs and Financists destroyed so far: - Western Industry. - The blue-collar middle class - The Middle Class - Our health care system - Our education - Western Economic Leadership. - Social Mobility Now they are busy destroying western technology, science and innovation on their never-ending selfish wealth-extraction quest. They convinced us that our homes are investments, so they can fleece us with their usurary…

It wasn't always this way. Milton Friedman introduced the idea in the 1970s that businesses could ignore their workers and communities because if they focused on profit, that would benefit everyone. Shareholder Theory elevates the stockholders above all others and leads to stock buybacks and optimizing for wealth extraction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedman_doctrine

> that would benefit everyone.

no, it would benefit the shareholders. The regulations imposed by the gov't (which is meant to be representitive) would reign in the excess externalization. Everyone would benefit from competition, when it does happen.

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Post by edgyquant »

underlipton wrote: post #306
noworld wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Related: https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2024/08/12/whats_b... The Navy’s ability to build lower-cost warships that can shoot down Houthi rebel missiles in the Red Sea depends in part on a 25-year-old laborer who previously made parts for garbage trucks. Lucas Andreini, a welder at Fincantieri Marinette Marine, in Marinette, Wisconsin, is among thousands of young workers who’ve received employer-sponsored t…

Everything about this reeks to me. Why do we need to build so many warships? (To fight China? We're going to war with another nuclear power?) Why are we fighting Houthi rebels? But also, why isn't the government sponsoring this training? Why is it only thousands, and not hundreds of thousands or even millions of workers being trained? And when did the call go out that they were going to be offering training? (I never…

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